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MLB geeks, srs Q about how to compare Ohtani & whether he's a gimmick
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:29 PM Author: Translucent stage persian ohtani's offensive WAR of 4.9 puts him 20th in the bigs, well below tatis at 7.3, soto at 6.8, etc.
his pitching WAR of 4.1 puts him at 21st in the bigs, well below wheeler at 7.6, buehler and ray at 6.7 etc
of course, his overall WAR of 9 puts him well above #2 wheeler (7.8), correa (7.2)
so the best player in baseball is a guy who is about the 20th best hitter and 20th best pitcher. does that make him the best player in baseball, or is it gimmicky shit to manipulate the data?
if ur a GM, would u rather have ohtani on your team or some other star?
is ohtani just a striver? is the GM risking ohtani's long-term longevity by having him both pitch and hit? does he add more long-term value to the organization by just doing one? would it be better for his long term earning potential to pick just one?
if some other star pitcher played DH on off days, could he rack up a WAR close to ohtanis's? is ohtani's feat unprecedented since babe ruth because nobody's really tried and it's not a good idea for someone's career, or is he just a unique athlete? |
Date: November 18th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: aromatic whorehouse international law enforcement agency lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467511) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:31 PM Author: Splenetic glittery heaven Lol Vladdy Jr. get off the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467519) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:32 PM Author: burgundy doobsian ape library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467527) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:32 PM Author: burgundy doobsian ape library he's a unique athlete and you'd rather have ohtani. you also clear up another roster spot since he pitches and hits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467526) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:32 PM Author: diverse forum if ohtani stopped pitching tomorrow and switched to OF (which he would be much better at than most other DHs who are in the position because they're just I can't my back roidheads) his war would still be highest in the league. DH is a big hit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467532) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:35 PM Author: Translucent stage persian show ur math. how would his offensive WAR go from 4.9 into the top of the league by being an average outfielder? he's -1.1 defensive WAR as a DH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467559) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:01 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes i can't my back roidhead tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359218) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:33 PM Author: Frisky Orchid Gay Wizard Roast Beef if some other star pitcher played DH on off days, could he rack up a WAR close to ohtanis's? no |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:39 PM Author: Translucent stage persian but ohtani isn't really a star pitcher, so the comparison isn't totally fair. he's the ~20th best pitcher by WAR, he didnt pitch enough innings to qualify on the ERA list and if he did qualify he'd be about #21 on the ERA list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467592) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:41 PM Author: burgundy doobsian ape library he is a star pitcher, his stuff is phenomenal. he pitches fewer innings because he gets more rest than the average pitcher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467618) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:45 PM Author: Translucent stage persian he gets more rest because he has to hit, right? that gets back to my question... would it better for the team or him, long term, for him to just pick one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467645) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:48 PM Author: burgundy doobsian ape library i dont think so. maybe he runs a greater shot at injury, but having an ace pitcher who is also one of the best hitters in the league is invaluable and theyd be retarded to give up either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467662) |
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Date: November 18th, 2021 7:53 PM Author: Translucent stage persian how many of these pitchers have tommy john surgery or whatever and cant play for a year? isnt the risk of injury real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#43467713) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:59 AM Author: Translucent stage persian 2025 review of the OP:
ohtani was 6th in the mlb in offensive war (6.6), almost 3 wins below judge (9.4)
and he had a pitching WAR of 1.1, placing him in a tie for 196th.
so he's the 6th best hitter in the league, and a gimmick pitcher who pitched a few innings once in a while and is totally inconsequential.
oh wow what a GOAT |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:03 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes lol sunday morning and this seething pumo is spinning out of control
ohtani just led the dodgers to another ws and every analyst, coach, and player considers him a generational talent. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:05 AM Author: Dashing meetinghouse this is DBG, and see this comment re: WAR: http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787669&forum_id=2#49359201 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359232) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:10 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes should have figured.
there's something telling about how jews love baseball and basketball because of the stats. it's an example of how they are programmed to distil the soul and purpose out of everything and consider only what is quantifiable. dbg is the type that doesn't really watch a baseball game but hand tracks every stat as a hobby. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:12 AM Author: Translucent stage persian i keep score at baseball games irl. u maf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359249) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:14 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes hard to tell if you're rolling with the schtick or if i actually did hit a bullseye here, but i can definitely envision you hunched over scribbling during the entire game. there's a handful of your weird kikes at every game it seems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359256) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:15 AM Author: Translucent stage persian 100% serious
In LA For a Depo, Went to Dodgers Game Solo Last Nite. RATE MY SCORECARD (PIC)
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3207561&mc=42&forum_id=2 |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:17 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3207561&mc=42&forum_id=2#30360140
jfc how are you real. you're gonna turn me into tbf with this shit. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:18 AM Author: Translucent stage persian ur a turd and not american. u wouldnt get it. go back to cricket (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359266) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:22 AM Author: self-absorbed shrine useless brakes you're the one that cannot understand the appeal of attending a sporting event and actually just watching it and enjoying some overpriced american pastime dining. you view it through the only through the lens of scribbling stats and kvetching about the price of a dodger dog. all this despite despite billing hundreds an hour taking a depo earlier.
you are fundamentally incompatible with america and every other civilized country, which is why you keep getting kicked out. go back to israel. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:23 AM Author: Translucent stage persian happy diwali, my man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359275) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Flatulent Vibrant Parlor Wrinkle lol, he wasn’t pitching for most of the season
Also, he shows up in October. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 9:25 AM Author: Flatulent Vibrant Parlor Wrinkle I think he’s pretty good at baseball, imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4967409&forum_id=2Vannesa#49359279) |