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Are heated floors in a bathroom worth it?

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shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
Are you a woman
Big hall incel
  10/16/25
ive literally never walked onto a bathroom floor and thought...
milky curious kitchen cuckold
  10/16/25
once you get used to then you don’t want to live witho...
wonderful useless brakes
  10/16/25
All the more reason to NOT get them in the first place
trip glassy church
  10/16/25
if they break you just go back to normal floors, why would y...
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
my buddy had them break in his fancy new marble bathroom. ha...
milky curious kitchen cuckold
  10/16/25
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Salmon Meetinghouse
  10/16/25
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shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
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Insecure adventurous pozpig
  10/16/25
Buddy of mine. Marble floored mansion. Tp
Big hall incel
  10/16/25
mods
racy bull headed theatre
  10/16/25
Yep, all those wires.. Not like they can leak electricity a...
electric fighting stag film coldplay fan
  10/17/25
don't you live in shithole atlanta?
Azure Self-absorbed Kitty
  10/16/25
yes but I don't understand why this is relevant it gets ...
milky curious kitchen cuckold
  10/17/25
If you can afford to spend money on it, yeah Tile I assum...
mischievous resort
  10/16/25
yea
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
Yeah it's worth. You've already spent so much money anyway. ...
mischievous resort
  10/16/25
haha yeah
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
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Salmon Meetinghouse
  10/16/25
he's brown and poor
180 nofapping jew
  10/17/25
No just wear slippers
Insecure adventurous pozpig
  10/16/25
Heated floors and heated towel racks are so completely unggg...
pale boyish market sneaky criminal
  10/16/25
So true, fellow heterosexual man But yeah he's actually r...
mischievous resort
  10/16/25
Pretty sure fulano is a gay bottom
maize coffee pot
  10/16/25
heated towel racks have SHIT PURE SHIT reviews unless they a...
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
OP is a retarded desert creature who needs to go back
wonderful useless brakes
  10/16/25
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180 nofapping jew
  10/17/25
Headed towel racks lack aesthetics
Low-t learning disabled regret feces
  10/16/25
No just wear diapers
Shaky stock car half-breed
  10/16/25
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Big hall incel
  10/16/25
too much comfort in life is a seductive poison
henna deer antler box office
  10/16/25
titcr
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
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dashing fortuitous meteor
  10/16/25
it's also just another complication that can break and cause...
dashing fortuitous meteor
  10/16/25
there is something to be said for this
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
Yes: it's retarded
Low-t learning disabled regret feces
  10/16/25
CR. I see this even with my $100K yukon xl denali ultimate....
exciting gay fat ankles
  10/17/25
Note that the reason they have heated floors in the bathroom...
Thriller Fanboi Crackhouse
  10/16/25
Additionally, in many countries they don't have fan spending...
Thriller Fanboi Crackhouse
  10/16/25
Yeah my euro apts did underfloor heating and it was a really...
pale boyish market sneaky criminal
  10/16/25
thanks jeeves
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
dont pay for shit like that. you can spend the money you sav...
House-broken bespoke garrison
  10/16/25
seriously though, my Paralegal bro, if its just a average ba...
Shaky stock car half-breed
  10/16/25
yeah honestly the mats are pretty cheap and the install seem...
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
maybe if you're a CONTRACTORCUCK that would hire an electric...
razzle-dazzle theater pistol
  10/16/25
i've hired GC to remodel my bathroom so yeah i'd ask his ele...
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
if doing a full remodel, absolutely no reason not to do this...
multi-colored public bath hunting ground
  10/20/25
most euros also have a boiler for radiator heat and adding a...
dashing fortuitous meteor
  10/16/25
goy
Galvanic Indian Lodge
  10/16/25
it's not worth it from any kind of objective viewpoint. it's...
Azure Self-absorbed Kitty
  10/16/25
Maybe if you're a donkey faggot from a desert. I prefer to f...
maize coffee pot
  10/16/25
he is a brown desert nigger
180 nofapping jew
  10/17/25
no, when I get out of the shower I step onto my bathmat, whi...
Claret Marvelous Electric Furnace Plaza
  10/16/25
He's brown
Insecure adventurous pozpig
  10/16/25
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Unholy becky parlor
  10/16/25
tough to say without hearing the cost. it's nice if you've ...
stirring blue therapy
  10/16/25
I have never thought my bathroom floors were cold, nor do I ...
Unholy becky parlor
  10/16/25
I wear slippers/houseshoes at all times, so wouldn’t g...
Aphrodisiac Cobalt Stain
  10/16/25
Yeah I got nice Totos. Pretty excited about that.
shivering startling cruise ship elastic band
  10/16/25
180. It’s a great purchase. We ended up with the Kohle...
Aphrodisiac Cobalt Stain
  10/16/25
Jesus christ, I didn't realize how pussy everyone has become...
lilac supple halford
  10/17/25
You should embrace comfort as much as discomfort.
Pontificating Mad-dog Skullcap Dragon
  10/20/25
If there are cold winters where you live, heated floors are ...
Pontificating Mad-dog Skullcap Dragon
  10/20/25
CR- No rug cucks here
multi-colored public bath hunting ground
  10/20/25
rugcucks fucked 4 lyfe
wonderful useless brakes
  10/20/25


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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:25 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353681)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:27 PM
Author: Big hall incel

Are you a woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353691)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: milky curious kitchen cuckold

ive literally never walked onto a bathroom floor and thought "man I wish these were heated"

seems like some shit that would just eventually break and you have to rip up all of your bathroom tiles to fix it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353697)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:33 PM
Author: wonderful useless brakes

once you get used to then you don’t want to live without them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353710)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:48 PM
Author: trip glassy church

All the more reason to NOT get them in the first place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353898)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

if they break you just go back to normal floors, why would you have to rip out anything? but for the record based on my research it seems they don't really break, the wiring is pretty simple. you're more likely to have the controller on the wall break and that's an easy replacement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353738)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:09 PM
Author: milky curious kitchen cuckold

my buddy had them break in his fancy new marble bathroom. had to rip all of the marble out to fix it. Just my two cents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353798)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: Salmon Meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353817)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353819)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:51 PM
Author: Insecure adventurous pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353912)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: Big hall incel

Buddy of mine. Marble floored mansion. Tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353923)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: racy bull headed theatre

mods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354737)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:05 AM
Author: electric fighting stag film coldplay fan

Yep, all those wires.. Not like they can leak electricity and ruin your flooring, drywall, furniture, cabinets, foundation…

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354933)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:03 PM
Author: Azure Self-absorbed Kitty

don't you live in shithole atlanta?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353779)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:11 PM
Author: milky curious kitchen cuckold

yes but I don't understand why this is relevant

it gets cold here too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355630)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:33 PM
Author: mischievous resort

If you can afford to spend money on it, yeah

Tile I assume?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353708)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

yea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353739)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: mischievous resort

Yeah it's worth. You've already spent so much money anyway. Why not spend a little more haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353747)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

haha yeah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353755)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:17 PM
Author: Salmon Meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353818)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: 180 nofapping jew

he's brown and poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355634)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:35 PM
Author: Insecure adventurous pozpig

No just wear slippers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353714)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: pale boyish market sneaky criminal

Heated floors and heated towel racks are so completely ungggghhhh that any one who doesn't have them has no concept of time or grace or death. It's just like talking to deaf cock roaches.

Do you like heated water in your shower? Derp seems completely unnecessary and complicated. Just do cold water for the rest of your life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353717)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: mischievous resort

So true, fellow heterosexual man

But yeah he's actually right about this. They're cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353721)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: maize coffee pot

Pretty sure fulano is a gay bottom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353917)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

heated towel racks have SHIT PURE SHIT reviews unless they are four digits+ and that's just not worth it imho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353740)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: wonderful useless brakes

OP is a retarded desert creature who needs to go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353782)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: 180 nofapping jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355635)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: Low-t learning disabled regret feces

Headed towel racks lack aesthetics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354201)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: Shaky stock car half-breed

No just wear diapers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353722)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:38 PM
Author: Big hall incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353726)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:40 PM
Author: henna deer antler box office

too much comfort in life is a seductive poison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353733)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353741)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:58 PM
Author: dashing fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353771)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: dashing fortuitous meteor

it's also just another complication that can break and cause a headache. i assume the floors rarely break, but when you fill your life with shit like this suddenly you're dealing with random problems all the time. i saw a story today how dan snyder's 300ft yacht broke and he had to fly in technicians to fix it. it just seems more trouble than it's worth. heated bathroom floors seem like one of those steps along the primrose path where eventually all your time becomes about maintaining the luxuries you've become accustomed to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353777)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:09 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

there is something to be said for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353797)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:37 PM
Author: Low-t learning disabled regret feces

Yes: it's retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354622)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: exciting gay fat ankles

CR. I see this even with my $100K yukon xl denali ultimate. The fucking sensors quit working, and literally no one can repair them. The dealership tells you that you'll have to keep the car there for 25 business days before they'll even run a diagnostic, which is so non-serious I completely assume that it's designed exclusively to deter you from trying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355719)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Thriller Fanboi Crackhouse

Note that the reason they have heated floors in the bathroom in many countries is not to heat the floor per se. It is because the radiators don't reach the bathrooms in those countries. It is mostly to warm up the bathroom on the hole, with warmth of the floor itself being a secondary benefit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353743)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Thriller Fanboi Crackhouse

Additionally, in many countries they don't have fan spending the bathrooms, so even in the winter people will crack the window open to avoid mold further necessitating the heated floors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353749)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: pale boyish market sneaky criminal

Yeah my euro apts did underfloor heating and it was a really great source given that it radiates and that's the one contact you're constantly interacting with

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353752)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

thanks jeeves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353758)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:47 PM
Author: House-broken bespoke garrison

dont pay for shit like that. you can spend the money you save on, you know, heat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353744)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Shaky stock car half-breed

seriously though, my Paralegal bro, if its just a average bathroom 100sqft, no not worth it, just get a rug, but if its some luxurious spa sized WC then yes maybe it is worth it.

lots of Euros have heated floor and heated towel rack, but no other heat in WC, so those two things are very needful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353745)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 3:51 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

yeah honestly the mats are pretty cheap and the install seems easy, but if i have to run new breakers to the panel downstairs that would add $$$

and brother i'm not getting new flooring to cover it with rugs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353757)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:06 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle theater pistol

maybe if you're a CONTRACTORCUCK that would hire an electrician instead of just buying a roll of appropriately-sized romex and the breaker (unless you live in shitcago where local code requires all circuits to be in conduit in which case ljl)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353795)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:10 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

i've hired GC to remodel my bathroom so yeah i'd ask his electrician to do it before they tile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353801)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:12 AM
Author: multi-colored public bath hunting ground

if doing a full remodel, absolutely no reason not to do this. unless you are a full rug-cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361191)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: dashing fortuitous meteor

most euros also have a boiler for radiator heat and adding a heated floor/towel rack is equivalent to just adding another rad to an existing system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353780)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:04 PM
Author: Galvanic Indian Lodge

goy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353781)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Azure Self-absorbed Kitty

it's not worth it from any kind of objective viewpoint. it's a needless luxury but can be nice. the systems are extremely reliable so i wouldn't worry about it breaking down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353906)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: maize coffee pot

Maybe if you're a donkey faggot from a desert. I prefer to feel cool floor under my bare feet. That's why I also love pebble beaches of Mediterranean or Adriatic. Sand and heat is for sandniggerd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353908)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: 180 nofapping jew

he is a brown desert nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355639)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: Claret Marvelous Electric Furnace Plaza

no, when I get out of the shower I step onto my bathmat, which is fine, towel off, then spend maybe 10 seconds standing barefoot on my tile then go to the bedroom and put on clothes, wtf are you doing standing around barefoot in your bathroom for an extended period of time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49353922)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
Author: Insecure adventurous pozpig

He's brown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354576)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: Unholy becky parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354591)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: stirring blue therapy

tough to say without hearing the cost. it's nice if you've got it and it's cold, but by no means a must have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354562)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: Unholy becky parlor

I have never thought my bathroom floors were cold, nor do I spend more than 2 seconds walking on them with no bathmat in bare feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354592)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:24 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Cobalt Stain

I wear slippers/houseshoes at all times, so wouldn’t get them. I also agree that it’s one more complication that can break and create a headache and god knows we don’t need yet another overly complicated thing in life that doesn’t work right. And you don’t live in Siberia so there’s really not much utility.

Spend the money on a fancy toilet. We did that when redoing our master last year and I love it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354710)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: shivering startling cruise ship elastic band

Yeah I got nice Totos. Pretty excited about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354730)



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Date: October 16th, 2025 11:31 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Cobalt Stain

180. It’s a great purchase. We ended up with the Kohler that looks like an egg. Tbf practically it’s not that different from the bidet seat we had before we renovated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49354868)



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Date: October 17th, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: lilac supple halford

Jesus christ, I didn't realize how pussy everyone has become until reading this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49355687)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:18 AM
Author: Pontificating Mad-dog Skullcap Dragon

You should embrace comfort as much as discomfort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361200)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:15 AM
Author: Pontificating Mad-dog Skullcap Dragon

If there are cold winters where you live, heated floors are amazing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361194)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:25 AM
Author: multi-colored public bath hunting ground

CR- No rug cucks here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361204)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 6:27 AM
Author: wonderful useless brakes

rugcucks fucked 4 lyfe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5786952&forum_id=2Vannesa#49361208)