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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Walnut casino national security agency
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Ocher native telephone
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Walnut casino national security agency
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Mewling House
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
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Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Ocher native telephone
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
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  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Mewling House
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
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  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Mewling House
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
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pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
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  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
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Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Ocher native telephone
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
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Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
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  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
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Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
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  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
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  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
dashing alcoholic lettuce
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
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  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
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  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
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  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
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  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
razzmatazz carnelian milk
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Sticky Toaster
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
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  04/06/26
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He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
puce locus mexican
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
fiercely-loyal chest-beating center
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
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  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
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do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
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this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
lilac stimulating brunch
  06/04/26
No Goog
Curious pisswyrm
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
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  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
lilac stimulating brunch
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
Mind-boggling Plaza
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
lilac stimulating brunch
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
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  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Ocher native telephone

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Mewling House

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Ocher native telephone

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Mewling House

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Mewling House

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

all 3 above above ryan?



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: titillating water buffalo parlour

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Clear talented gay wizard public bath

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Ocher native telephone

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Ocher native telephone

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Ocher native telephone

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: dashing alcoholic lettuce

he's appropriately rated

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: aphrodisiac location bbw

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
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Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: puce locus mexican



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Obsidian university

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: red flickering windowlicker



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Lavender razzle institution corn cake

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: razzmatazz carnelian milk

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Sticky Toaster

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal chest-beating center

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: puce locus mexican

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal chest-beating center

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: puce locus mexican

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: razzmatazz carnelian milk

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: lilac stimulating brunch

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
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Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: lilac stimulating brunch

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: Curious pisswyrm
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Clear talented gay wizard public bath

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: lilac stimulating brunch

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Plaza

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: lilac stimulating brunch

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Vannesa#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Plaza

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: lilac stimulating brunch

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: Walnut casino national security agency



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