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🚨 It appears Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek creator) was a pedo (LINK)

https://youtu.be/KMa1v7ii5P0?t=3614 wow. just wow.
motley nofapping stain
  08/09/26
what the christ
Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
  08/09/26
it's gotta be like 98% of Hollywood right? minimum? he al...
motley nofapping stain
  08/09/26
you used to be able to be a Nietzschean Wifeguy Girldad like...
underhanded excitant site roast beef
  08/09/26
commie scifi wifeguy panty girldad
motley nofapping stain
  08/09/26
wtf
overrated gaped space round eye
  08/09/26
cq
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
after watching more of this it was some weird troll intervie...
underhanded excitant site roast beef
  08/09/26
well the end part where the camera is on the interviewer is ...
motley nofapping stain
  08/09/26
Roddenberry said of Christianity, "How can I take serio...
charcoal irradiated temple
  08/10/26
wow this is almost as based as dressing your own teen dau...
underhanded excitant site roast beef
  08/10/26
mother mary full of grace
Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
  08/10/26
this is Nietzschean Master Morality
underhanded excitant site roast beef
  08/10/26
i just had chatgpt write a paper about this
Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
  08/10/26
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Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
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motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
He died a few years after this. Probably just mentally retar...
burgundy masturbator
  08/09/26
retarded enough to admit to being an incest pedo yeah appare...
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
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Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
  08/10/26
Arthur C. Clarke got run out of England for being a homosexu...
Maroon awkward shrine
  08/10/26
scifi pedo, qu'est-ce que c'est?
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
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Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage
  08/12/26
you'd see the panties tp
Cream Painfully Honest Ticket Booth Yarmulke
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Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig
  08/10/26
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underhanded excitant site roast beef
  08/10/26
yes?
motley nofapping stain
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arrogant national
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when he starts to breath hard and asks for the camera to tur...
Turquoise disturbing point
  08/10/26
so fucking weird
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
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beady-eyed hairless philosopher-king
  08/10/26
did you know about this Consuela?
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
no, but i'm not surprised by much these days, and its jewish...
beady-eyed hairless philosopher-king
  08/10/26
180 agreed. none of this is shocking
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
"In the late 1980s, it was likely that Roddenberry was ...
Frisky hell
  08/10/26
lol i saw that too. i was on his wiki trying to see if he ha...
motley nofapping stain
  08/10/26
He sounds zonked in that interview
Sinister senate degenerate
  08/12/26
reminder
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
Has Wil Wheaton commented on this?
Misanthropic fighting legal warrant
  08/12/26
not sure. ive seen people say that Marina Sirtis has comment...
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
She may have been the first woman I had feelings for. I was ...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
i remember thinking she and Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) were b...
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
Crrr. Trek was so cool too as a kid. In a world before cell ...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
explain the Jeri Ryan-Obama connection.
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
tl;dr Seven of Nine's husband was running for senate in Illi...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
1800000 factoid
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
The replacement candidate who sucked was XO Alan Keyes.
Misanthropic fighting legal warrant
  08/12/26
What was his connection to XO
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
He was funny and insane
Misanthropic fighting legal warrant
  08/12/26
I thought you meant Alan Lichtman at first 😂
burgundy masturbator
  08/12/26
AI can't replace every last one of these motherfuckers fast ...
hyperventilating irate theater stage dog poop
  08/12/26
...
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
there was a lot of this in speculative fiction isaac asim...
Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage
  08/12/26
tyvm for this depressing scholarship
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
Also Sam Delaney seems to have gotten a pass for what I&rsqu...
Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage
  08/12/26
Is Dhalgren actually good?
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
I've never actually read any of his stuff; as you know I'm a...
Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage
  08/12/26
Read Dhalgren and report back please. Gibson said it was gen...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
What about Bill Barr's dad and his pedo sci fi book? And how...
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
lol, it would be pretty lulzy to include him on the list of ...
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26
A pedo sci fi novel is a pedo sci fi novel - Albert Einstein
Shimmering Ape
  08/12/26
180
motley nofapping stain
  08/12/26


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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:40 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

https://youtu.be/KMa1v7ii5P0?t=3614

wow. just wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056760)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:43 PM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig

what the christ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056766)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:48 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

it's gotta be like 98% of Hollywood right? minimum?

he also later laughs about how Majel said of their infant son (14 at time of interview) that she's glad he's well-hung. so she was probably also one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056771)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:46 PM
Author: underhanded excitant site roast beef

you used to be able to be a Nietzschean Wifeguy Girldad like this before "they" turned all of them into goofy fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056769)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

commie scifi wifeguy panty girldad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056775)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: overrated gaped space round eye

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056770)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 9:29 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057281)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:54 PM
Author: underhanded excitant site roast beef

after watching more of this it was some weird troll interview thing. like some kind of performance art

still pretty funny though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056776)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:58 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

well the end part where the camera is on the interviewer is the "reverse shot"; they're just having her ask the Qs again since the camera was on him the first time. so that string of pervy answers was just throwaways since that wasn't gonna be aired. but the part about his daughters' panties afaict was an earnest response. someone in the comments noted that he appears to be on some kind of opiates, based on his body language and how he kept saying how comfortable he was, so that could have lowered his inhibitions enough for that stuff to come out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056778)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:05 AM
Author: charcoal irradiated temple

Roddenberry said of Christianity, "How can I take seriously a God-image that requires that I prostrate myself every seven days and praise it? That sounds to me like a very insecure personality."[158] At one point, he worked a similar opinion, which was to have been stated by a Vulcan, into the plot for Star Trek: The God Thing.[119] He had a similar disdain for Judaism. Despite working closely with Jewish writers and stars such as Shatner, Nimoy, and Koenig for the series, Nimoy said of Roddenberry, "Gene was antisemitic, clearly," qualifying that Roddenberry was anti-religious, seeing Jews as a religious group, adding "but I saw examples not only of [Roddenberry] practicing antisemitism, but of him being callous about other peoples' differences as well.” As with Christianity, Roddenberry similarly dismissed that there were any deliberately Jewish principles or allusions included in Star Trek, telling a journalist, "You Jews have a lamentable habit of identifying those characteristics in a society that you deem positive and then taking credit for inventing them.”[160]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056781)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:07 AM
Author: underhanded excitant site roast beef

wow

this is almost as based as dressing your own teen daughters up in sailor moon outfits and then ogling them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056782)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:09 AM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig

mother mary full of grace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056786)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:10 AM
Author: underhanded excitant site roast beef

this is Nietzschean Master Morality

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056787)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:11 AM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig

i just had chatgpt write a paper about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056789)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:09 AM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056784)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:14 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056793)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:55 PM
Author: burgundy masturbator

He died a few years after this. Probably just mentally retarded atm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056777)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:00 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

retarded enough to admit to being an incest pedo yeah apparently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056779)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:11 AM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056790)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:23 AM
Author: Maroon awkward shrine

Arthur C. Clarke got run out of England for being a homosexual pedophile. Moved To Sri Lanka to fuckbl lityle boys there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056805)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:26 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

scifi pedo, qu'est-ce que c'est?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50056809)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:23 AM
Author: Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063185)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 9:31 AM
Author: Cream Painfully Honest Ticket Booth Yarmulke

you'd see the panties tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057283)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 9:31 AM
Author: Wonderful Bat Shit Crazy Filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057285)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 10:52 AM
Author: underhanded excitant site roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057455)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:16 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

yes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057724)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 3:29 PM
Author: arrogant national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058303)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 11:04 AM
Author: Turquoise disturbing point

when he starts to breath hard and asks for the camera to turn off; what in the actual fuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057507)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 11:22 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

so fucking weird

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50057565)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 3:38 PM
Author: beady-eyed hairless philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058347)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:17 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

did you know about this Consuela?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058432)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:20 PM
Author: beady-eyed hairless philosopher-king

no, but i'm not surprised by much these days, and its jewish-dominated hollywood, the home of roman polansky, woody allen and harvey weinstein. goy superstar could have gone to hollywood instead of being a programmer (also a pedo profession)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058442)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:22 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

180 agreed. none of this is shocking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058448)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: Frisky hell

"In the late 1980s, it was likely that Roddenberry was afflicted by the first manifestations of cerebrovascular disease and encephalopathy as a result of his longstanding recreational use of legal and illicit drugs, including alcohol, methaqualone,[172] methylphenidate, Dexamyl, and cocaine (which he had used regularly since the production of Star Trek: The Motion Picture).[134] Roddenberry also used cannabis for many years, although its cumulative impact on his health remains unclear"

...

"Dexamyl (or Drinamyl in the UK) was the brand name of a combination drug composed of amobarbital (previously called amylbarbitone) and dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine) within the same pill."

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lots to unpack here. a) apparently he was a total degen druggie a la zurich and developed Retard Syndrome as a result, b) there used to be a pill manufactured for the express purpose of "combine your upper with a downer".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058455)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:24 PM
Author: motley nofapping stain

lol i saw that too. i was on his wiki trying to see if he had dementia toward the end or what because why would he admit to this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50058463)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:25 AM
Author: Sinister senate degenerate

He sounds zonked in that interview

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063188)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:00 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

reminder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062658)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:04 AM
Author: Misanthropic fighting legal warrant

Has Wil Wheaton commented on this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062666)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:08 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

not sure. ive seen people say that Marina Sirtis has commented on Rodenberry being a perv

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062671)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:11 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

She may have been the first woman I had feelings for. I was 2-3. I wanted to sit in her lap real bad lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062672)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:14 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

i remember thinking she and Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) were beautiful at a very young age, and i barely have any childhood memories, so they must have really made an impression

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062675)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:25 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

Crrr. Trek was so cool too as a kid. In a world before cell phones it felt larger than life. Like we knew it was made in soundstage in Burbank but it still somehow seemed impossible they could make TV look like space was real.

Also if not for Jeri Ryan Obama would never have been president lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062683)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:26 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

explain the Jeri Ryan-Obama connection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062686)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

tl;dr Seven of Nine's husband was running for senate in Illinois as a Republican. One of the papers I can't remember either it was the Tribune or the Sun Times filed a lawsuit in LA County to unseal Jeri Ryan's custody agreement following her divorce. Even though a judge had previously sealed the record stating it was in the best interest of the kid to remain sealed, some thug in a robe unsealed it just to give it to a newspaper in another state, because Reasons.

In the sealed custody agreement there was a lot of weird sex stuff about the husband. Apparently he had had a fantasy about fucking Jeri in public and wanted to get into whips and chains and some dom/sub stuff. Although I don't think he ever actually did this, it just came out somehow in court during the custody battle (seems like she was probably just trying to pill the court against her ex). Even though I don't think any of it was ever actually done, the scandal was severe enough that it caused Mr. Ryan to drop out of the race. The replacement candidate sucked and Obama won. His camp disavowed the paper publishing the lurid personal details of his opponent but he benefited from it anyway lol. Ruthless Chicago machine politics so corrupt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062701)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

1800000 factoid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062705)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 12:44 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062707)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 1:14 AM
Author: Misanthropic fighting legal warrant

The replacement candidate who sucked was XO Alan Keyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062740)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 1:29 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

What was his connection to XO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062758)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 1:36 AM
Author: Misanthropic fighting legal warrant

He was funny and insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062765)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: burgundy masturbator

I thought you meant Alan Lichtman at first 😂

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062961)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:36 AM
Author: hyperventilating irate theater stage dog poop

AI can't replace every last one of these motherfuckers fast enough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50062940)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:01 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063030)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:27 AM
Author: Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage

there was a lot of this in speculative fiction

isaac asimov's son got caught with a ton of cp and got some really weird sweetheart plea deal

Ed Kramer was huge in the 1990s in the fantasy world; he edited a lot of anthologies and founded Dragoncon in Atlanta and he was a total chomo and a lot of sf writers went to bat for him (including, to my dismay, harlan ellison)

on an amusing side note, he co-edited a Sandman anthology with Neil Gaiman, which makes it the only book I can think of off the top of my head where both names on the cover turned out to be gross sex pests (although Kramer's crimes went far beyond 'sex pest')

then there was the whole marion zimmer bradley thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063196)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:33 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

tyvm for this depressing scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063204)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:37 AM
Author: Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage

Also Sam Delaney seems to have gotten a pass for what I’ve heard was some sus behavior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063210)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 11:33 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

Is Dhalgren actually good?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063360)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:59 PM
Author: Laughsome School Cafeteria Blood Rage

I've never actually read any of his stuff; as you know I'm a horror guy and only dabble in fantasy and science fiction. I should probably read some of his work though; I get the sense that he's actually pretty good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50064151)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 5:06 PM
Author: Shimmering Ape

Read Dhalgren and report back please. Gibson said it was genius not flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50064165)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:52 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

What about Bill Barr's dad and his pedo sci fi book? And how hired Epstein to teach math despite zero qualifications?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063237)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 11:06 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

lol, it would be pretty lulzy to include him on the list of actual good and influential writers, but good connection

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063280)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 11:26 AM
Author: Shimmering Ape

A pedo sci fi novel is a pedo sci fi novel - Albert Einstein

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063339)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 11:32 AM
Author: motley nofapping stain

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891221&forum_id=2Vannesa#50063355)