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Why are homeless people basically just white or black?

not that many homeless asian or latinodoods.
fragrant death wish
  02/22/12
dont stereotype cumskins bro
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wrf? Shit tons of homeless Latino bros. Fewer azns because a...
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
and the women work in massage parlors to support their famil...
rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks
  02/22/12
not really, no. latino doods work hard or go home.
fragrant death wish
  02/22/12
latinos might like to think that, but I see too many latino ...
Chrome Depressive Rigpig
  02/22/12
flame.
Offensive bat-shit-crazy dilemma nibblets
  02/22/12
in places like LA that are half mexican, mexicans probably m...
emerald forum party of the first part
  02/22/12
not quite in Los Angeles. Latino 47% of total populati...
soggy aromatic cuck house
  02/22/12
this is such a myth about azns, my family was broke as a jok...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
Seems like flame. Define broke.
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we live...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
"my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and w...
Chrome Depressive Rigpig
  02/22/12
what does the average american make? 3 grand a month? unle...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
So they had money, a place to stay and presumably a job/care...
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
what you just described in your post is not most americans, ...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
Not most Americans. Most homeless. And not speaking English ...
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
probably true but comparing the average homeless person to t...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
Ok, maybe not huge $$$, but they have some combination of sk...
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
i can agree with this, i think strong family bonds is what m...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
you can be "broke," but you're still richer than m...
Chrome Depressive Rigpig
  02/22/12
they saved up a few thousand for the move, that's about it, ...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
Yeah Hmoobs and Cambodians are chronically poor. A lot of 1s...
Dashing set corn cake
  01/06/26
azns are good at math/sci & latinos are willing to perfo...
Shaky friendly grandma
  02/22/12
this
glittery disgusting sex offender stain
  02/22/12
immigrants go home if they cant make it here.
Offensive bat-shit-crazy dilemma nibblets
  02/22/12
(has never been to LA)
Pungent bateful site selfie
  02/22/12
some races have more losers than others
Hyperventilating Market
  02/22/12
WTF, the Asians who work at fast Chinese food stores aren't ...
razzmatazz frozen sandwich
  02/22/12
i've always wondered what their lives are like. what kind o...
Hyperventilating Market
  02/22/12
we lived with family in tight quarters with my aunt for the ...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
were your family members made up of those people who slave a...
Hyperventilating Market
  02/22/12
my dad worked as a janitor and my mom worked at a sewing sho...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
what are they doing now?
Hyperventilating Market
  02/22/12
he sold them to human traffickers
Shaky friendly grandma
  02/22/12
they eventually saved up enough to open up a resturaunt, the...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
They would have worked twice as hard back home in Korea for ...
Dashing set corn cake
  01/06/26
credited, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but when i hea...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
Having that extended family that'll allow you to room with t...
contagious naked alpha
  02/22/12
you think your case is typical of the average white american...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
what kind of HS did you attend? probably really ghetto, righ...
Shaky friendly grandma
  02/22/12
the elementary school and junior high i attended was ghetto,...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
mine too. all of the whites I knew were pressured to GTFO A...
Shaky friendly grandma
  02/22/12
this seems mildly flamish, what parents let their daughter m...
aphrodisiac double fault
  02/22/12
You're confusing azns with indiandoods
rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks
  02/22/12
Come to think of it, I've never seen a homeless Latino in NY...
heady coiffed indian lodge
  02/22/12
Me neither, I only ever see blacks and whites.
razzmatazz frozen sandwich
  02/22/12
They tend to live in the same house, lots. I've seen some...
know-it-all stag film
  02/22/12
I think Asians and Hispanics tend to help each other a lot m...
razzmatazz frozen sandwich
  02/22/12
mexicans & asians usually have huge extended families an...
Blathering hairraiser foreskin principal's office
  02/22/12
Americans are more individualistic. People of other national...
rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks
  02/22/12
Right, Americans think of each other as products. Because th...
razzmatazz frozen sandwich
  02/22/12
I have plenty of homeless Latino clients. I think I see them...
Titillating pearl cumskin twinkling uncleanness
  12/23/25
asians and latinos have strong family structures
spectacular tanning salon
  12/23/25
dont stereotype cumskins as not having family values, RACIST
maize adventurous garrison
  12/23/25
Asians and Latinos have countries they can return to if life...
Aquamarine kitchen
  01/06/26
asians and latinos barged into the country just recently. ju...
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  01/06/26


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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:18 PM
Author: fragrant death wish

not that many homeless asian or latinodoods.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031309)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 1:44 AM
Author: maize adventurous garrison

dont stereotype cumskins bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49529780)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49532282)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 5:56 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49534997)



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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49545729)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49548599)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49562704)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49568048)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:20 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

wrf? Shit tons of homeless Latino bros. Fewer azns because azns that come here have to come from families that can pay $$$ to come here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031332)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:21 PM
Author: rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks

and the women work in massage parlors to support their families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031340)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: fragrant death wish

not really, no. latino doods work hard or go home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031350)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: Chrome Depressive Rigpig

latinos might like to think that, but I see too many latino homeless for this to be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031370)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: Offensive bat-shit-crazy dilemma nibblets

flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031377)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:25 PM
Author: emerald forum party of the first part

in places like LA that are half mexican, mexicans probably make up like 10% of the homeless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031390)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: soggy aromatic cuck house

not quite

in Los Angeles.

Latino 47% of total population 33% of homeless

White 30% of total population 14% of homeless

African American 9% of total population 50% of homeless

Asian/Pacific Islander 12% of total population 2% of homeless

Other 2% Less than 1% of homeless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031415)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

this is such a myth about azns, my family was broke as a joke, and so were plenty of other asians i met in college

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031366)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

Seems like flame. Define broke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031378)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:25 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we lived with our aunt until we they got on their feet, she was lower middle class at best

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031394)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: Chrome Depressive Rigpig

"my parents came here with a few thousand dollars and we lived with our aunt until we they got on their feet,"

like i said, seems broke to you, but a lot more than most americans have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031407)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

what does the average american make? 3 grand a month? unless you completely financially fucked yourself over, the average american can save that in half a year, my parents probably saved for about 5 years to come over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031419)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

So they had money, a place to stay and presumably a job/career lined up. Gotcha.

That's better than a dude with a felony or debt or noskillspwned and no family etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031500)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

what you just described in your post is not most americans, except the noskillspwned and debt thing.

Someone with no skills was better off than my parents, for 1 you can speak english that's already a GIGANTIC leg up. The debt thing is usually too much consumer spending that was unnecessary and if that's the reason someone homeless well i don't know what to say



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031526)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

Not most Americans. Most homeless. And not speaking English isn't a huge deal if you're plugged into the insular Chinese community.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031551)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

probably true but comparing the average homeless person to the average asian american population doesn't explain differences in homelessness

"Fewer azns because azns that come here have to come from families that can pay $$$ to come here."

this seems to imply someone who was rich in their home country, and i'm telling u that's not true for many if not most first generation asian americans. Maybe the ones who move straight into upper-middle class neighborhoods but that's not the case usually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031572)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

Ok, maybe not huge $$$, but they have some combination of skill, work lined up, and extended family willing to help. Homeless people almost without fail lack these. If they are homeless due to drugs/mental illness this also usually stems from weak family help in one way or another.

I'm not saying all azns are rich and shouldn't have implied that, but on avg I'd say that have stronger assets tangible or otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031620)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

i can agree with this, i think strong family bonds is what makes the difference in the homelessness numbers personally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031639)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: Chrome Depressive Rigpig

you can be "broke," but you're still richer than most people if you can afford intercontinental immigration, generally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031382)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

they saved up a few thousand for the move, that's about it, anybody who's smart with their money can do this, except maybe minimum wage earners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031404)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:38 PM
Author: Dashing set corn cake

Yeah Hmoobs and Cambodians are chronically poor. A lot of 1st gen Vietnamese and Korean came up poor af in the 80s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49568054)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: Shaky friendly grandma

azns are good at math/sci & latinos are willing to perform backbreaking labor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031356)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:22 PM
Author: glittery disgusting sex offender stain

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031362)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: Offensive bat-shit-crazy dilemma nibblets

immigrants go home if they cant make it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031372)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:24 PM
Author: Pungent bateful site selfie

(has never been to LA)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031389)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Market

some races have more losers than others

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031403)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:27 PM
Author: razzmatazz frozen sandwich

WTF, the Asians who work at fast Chinese food stores aren't any close to wealthy. It's uncertain why they don't go homeless, but they are definitely not rich or even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031416)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:28 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Market

i've always wondered what their lives are like. what kind of living arrangements do the ones outside of major cities have? i'm imagining a dozen people crammed into a 1 bedroom apartment, possibly divided up with hanging sheets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031426)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:31 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

we lived with family in tight quarters with my aunt for the first 2-3 years we were in america, not anything close to a dozen of us in a 1 bedroom apt tho, 5 of us in a two bedroom tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031442)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:34 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Market

were your family members made up of those people who slave away in the kitchen portion of a chinese take-out place? those are the ones i mean. usually there are at least a half a dozen of them working, even when it is slow. i can't imagine a take-out place generates enough money to pay them even minimum wage. sometimes i wonder if they are indentured servants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031482)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

my dad worked as a janitor and my mom worked at a sewing shop, this might sound a little strange but i saw my mom and dad's tax returns from 1980 something and it almost made me cry the suffering that they went through, my mom and dad made a combined total of 6 grand that year, i think my mom was making below minimum wage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031497)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:38 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Market

what are they doing now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031509)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: Shaky friendly grandma

he sold them to human traffickers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031520)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

they eventually saved up enough to open up a resturaunt, then a dry cleaners, now they are retired

it pisses me off when ppl assume we came over here with like 100s of thousands of dollars and now because of that they live wel, they worked their asses off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031547)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 10:40 PM
Author: Dashing set corn cake

They would have worked twice as hard back home in Korea for 1/10 of that money. They knew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49568058)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:29 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

credited, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but when i hear ppl talk about how asians do well in america because they were the upper echelons of society in their home country it makes me think they are minimizing what asian ameicans have accomplished, especially since from my experience MOST asians who come over don't have PhDs or were wealthy when they came over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031432)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:44 PM
Author: contagious naked alpha

Having that extended family that'll allow you to room with them is a big asset bro. I got booted from my parents house and my grandparents house and they both had extra rooms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031556)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

you think your case is typical of the average white american family? most all my friends were white in high school, don't know a single one who wasn't free to go back home if they chose to, and a lot of them did make that choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031581)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:50 PM
Author: Shaky friendly grandma

what kind of HS did you attend? probably really ghetto, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031611)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

the elementary school and junior high i attended was ghetto, the HS i attended was solidly middle class

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031627)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: Shaky friendly grandma

mine too. all of the whites I knew were pressured to GTFO ASAP & very few were allowed to return after college.

my white female cousin fell on hard times & had to move in with some weird nigger she barely knew because nobody in her family would help her get back on her feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031721)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 10:04 PM
Author: aphrodisiac double fault

this seems mildly flamish, what parents let their daughter move into some weird person's house rather than let them move back home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031734)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:44 PM
Author: rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks

You're confusing azns with indiandoods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031559)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:34 PM
Author: heady coiffed indian lodge

Come to think of it, I've never seen a homeless Latino in NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031484)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: razzmatazz frozen sandwich

Me neither, I only ever see blacks and whites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031496)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: know-it-all stag film

They tend to live in the same house, lots.

I've seen some, btw. Penn Station, Union Square station, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031499)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: razzmatazz frozen sandwich

I think Asians and Hispanics tend to help each other a lot more, so they wouldn't let each other be on the street, perhaps? Whites and blacks are Americans and they have different values, so they can easily ignore each other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031542)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: Blathering hairraiser foreskin principal's office

mexicans & asians usually have huge extended families and are used to having houseguests. whites & blacks don't have tight extended families and are more individualistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031524)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: rusted magical people who are hurt wagecucks

Americans are more individualistic. People of other nationalities (blacks/whites) are not like their american counterparts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031574)



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Date: February 22nd, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: razzmatazz frozen sandwich

Right, Americans think of each other as products. Because the American culture has capitalism at its core.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#20031626)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: Titillating pearl cumskin twinkling uncleanness

I have plenty of homeless Latino clients. I think I see them just as much if not more than homeless whites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49535014)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:01 PM
Author: spectacular tanning salon

asians and latinos have strong family structures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49535019)



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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:27 PM
Author: maize adventurous garrison

dont stereotype cumskins as not having family values, RACIST

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49535085)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: Aquamarine kitchen

Asians and Latinos have countries they can return to if life in the US is not working out for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1880859&forum_id=2Vannesa#49568146)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: Wonderful ruby temple goyim

asians and latinos barged into the country just recently. just wait a bit their kids will be homeless soon enough.

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