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America is barely even a first world country

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why...
Learning disabled den liquid oxygen
  09/25/13
I blame so-called diversity. America is doing GREAT if you e...
Chestnut Turdskin
  09/25/13
and west virginia
Learning disabled den liquid oxygen
  09/25/13
it's still not spectacular even if you do that, but the impo...
Cocky deer antler
  09/25/13
its more likely wed be a chinese style state: free market au...
180 really tough guy
  09/25/13
i have devised a final solution to this problem.
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  09/25/13
this. racism actually provides a sort of distraction for ...
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what is the average weight of birdshit america? divorc...
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Didn't read article. Why's having great prisons necessary fo...
Comical magenta legend
  09/25/13
the reason this won't work is a lot people would just commi...
histrionic soggy senate masturbator
  09/25/13
societies with high levels of altruism, community norms, per...
Cocky deer antler
  09/25/13
3 good hots. a nice bed. internet. tv. gym. health care. den...
histrionic soggy senate masturbator
  09/25/13
I forgot to mention that these countries also have flatter i...
Cocky deer antler
  09/25/13
who doesn't? we are up there with feudal europe.
histrionic soggy senate masturbator
  09/25/13
You could easily make a list of a million reasons why Americ...
lascivious friendly grandma
  09/25/13
TIRED OF WINNING
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TIRED OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
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superior anglo culture
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maybe sit this one TF out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
french hospital nowag
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damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily
disturbing lodge therapy
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white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure
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white females dont get shot daily either
disturbing lodge therapy
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like the one in minnesota
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It's absolutely fine. Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM ...
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like portland
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Its what I'd call a "fourth world" country. It has...
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most americans don't even have $1,000 saved up for an emerge...
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  05/26/22
jfc
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Yet somehow the proles I work with all have the latest "...
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  05/26/22
too bad no faggy "apps" cause sterilization
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It's almost like the rise of the nuclear family destroys cul...
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  06/22/22
it's barely a 3rd world country
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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:06 AM
Author: Learning disabled den liquid oxygen

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/?google_editors_picks=true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109834)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:07 AM
Author: Chestnut Turdskin

I blame so-called diversity. America is doing GREAT if you exclude the browns and blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109838)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:09 AM
Author: Learning disabled den liquid oxygen

and west virginia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109844)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:11 AM
Author: Cocky deer antler

it's still not spectacular even if you do that, but the important thing to remember is that an america without minorities would be a socialist paradise much like sweden because we'd have higher levels of social trust which would help every single institution function better, political shitparties wouldn't be able to exploit racial divisions to pwn us with their corporatist agendas, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109847)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:20 AM
Author: 180 really tough guy

its more likely wed be a chinese style state: free market authoritarianism. the capitalist narrative is too strong in are country types to allow for socialism, but they give zero fucks about corporatism or really even corruption

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109874)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:23 AM
Author: histrionic soggy senate masturbator

i have devised a final solution to this problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109879)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:21 AM
Author: boyish fishy pozpig

this.

racism actually provides a sort of distraction for Americans. without racism, it'd just be outright ruthless competition with everyone like China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109996)



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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:08 PM
Author: medicated flesh associate

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49296788)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: Swashbuckling anal rigpig pocket flask

what is the average weight of birdshit america?

divorce rate?

meth addiction?

education levels?

ljl birdshit amerikkka is not doing great u dumb moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575767)



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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:22 AM
Author: Swashbuckling anal rigpig pocket flask

Yes US birdshits are so thin and gorgeous with great family values and working hard studying STEM and stuff not snorting meth all day and trying to rape 12yo AZN girls.... Good stuff!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#47530791)



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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:07 PM
Author: medicated flesh associate

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49296787)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:14 AM
Author: magical slate mood bbw

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109859)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:15 AM
Author: Comical magenta legend

Didn't read article. Why's having great prisons necessary for being a first world country? IMO, it would be better to have NO prisons at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109863)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:17 AM
Author: histrionic soggy senate masturbator

the reason this won't work is a lot people would just commit crimes to get put in a sweet living situation that is way better than you can achieve on the outside. the dude who shot up the camp surely live better than debt strapped millenials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109870)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:35 AM
Author: Cocky deer antler

societies with high levels of altruism, community norms, personal investment in the public good, etc, can get away with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109897)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:42 AM
Author: histrionic soggy senate masturbator

3 good hots. a nice bed. internet. tv. gym. health care. dentist. shrinks if you need it. better than i have lived since leaving ug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109910)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 4:57 AM
Author: Cocky deer antler

I forgot to mention that these countries also have flatter income distributions than the US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109923)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 5:18 AM
Author: histrionic soggy senate masturbator

who doesn't? we are up there with feudal europe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109954)



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Date: September 25th, 2013 6:15 AM
Author: lascivious friendly grandma

You could easily make a list of a million reasons why America sucks, but this isn't one of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#24109988)



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Date: June 3rd, 2020 1:04 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

TIRED OF WINNING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#40335228)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 2:58 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

TIRED OF SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575701)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:29 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

superior anglo culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575763)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:13 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49177197)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:15 AM
Author: french hospital nowag

maybe sit this one TF out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49177204)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 1:18 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

damn bro tons of schoolkids in korea getting shot up daily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49177211)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 2:03 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

white men at american colleges dont get shot though for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49253914)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

white females dont get shot daily either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49257404)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:09 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

like the one in minnesota

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49570533)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

It's absolutely fine.

Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM

Author: lawman8

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3508473&forum_id=2#32494554

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49570636)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:15 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

like portland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49570915)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49573963)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:24 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49571159)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 1:08 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49571352)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49573608)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:18 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49573764)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:55 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49573871)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:49 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49570844)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:17 PM
Author: french hospital nowag

YEAH superior gook culture where teachers stab innocent 8 year olds is much better! DURR DURR

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3zer88yrzo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49570919)



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Date: September 14th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:57 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: August 17th, 2025 5:44 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: August 18th, 2025 11:21 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: August 21st, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: August 26th, 2025 12:56 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 15th, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 16th, 2025 8:38 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 22nd, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 24th, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:32 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: October 13th, 2025 8:05 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: October 15th, 2025 1:43 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: July 15th, 2024 12:20 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

PRESIDENTIAL SHOOTINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#47845205)



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Date: July 16th, 2024 6:43 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 15th, 2025 10:46 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: September 23rd, 2025 10:07 PM
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Date: September 28th, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

MUH MICHIGAN MORMONS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49309997)



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Date: October 2nd, 2025 1:00 AM
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Date: October 15th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:09 PM
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Date: March 6th, 2023 7:25 PM
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Date: March 25th, 2024 11:19 PM
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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:21 AM
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Date: March 27th, 2024 4:27 AM
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Date: March 27th, 2024 8:31 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 9:36 PM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:31 AM
Author: Swashbuckling anal rigpig pocket flask

Its what I'd call a "fourth world" country. It has TONS of things that dont exist in real first world countries like gun violence or mass obesity but these things also don't exist in most "third world" countries. The US is really unique in how furking shit it is. Truly amazing what a shithole country has been created, Mexico looks like it has a brighter future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575766)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:34 AM
Author: up-to-no-good aquamarine selfie brunch

most americans don't even have $1,000 saved up for an emergency. even syrian refugees could come up with a few grand to escape when the war started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575771)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:35 AM
Author: disturbing lodge therapy

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575775)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:39 AM
Author: Chestnut Turdskin

Yet somehow the proles I work with all have the latest "phone" with every accessory hmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575777)



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Date: May 26th, 2022 3:45 AM
Author: up-to-no-good aquamarine selfie brunch

too bad no faggy "apps" cause sterilization

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44575784)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:11 PM
Author: Dashing partner

It's almost like the rise of the nuclear family destroys cultures

You know is doing fine? Proles who live near extended family. Got a kid? Fifty different cousins can come by to take care of the kid when you're sick or have to travel for work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44723225)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:10 PM
Author: Sable electric furnace

it's barely a 3rd world country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44723215)



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Date: June 22nd, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: vivacious jet shitlib

Lololol. Oh jeez what is the difference? What policy do the Scandinavians have that we just need to adopt that will make everything here work like everything there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#44723277)



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Date: March 25th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: tan immigrant love of her life



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Date: March 27th, 2024 12:23 AM
Author: Swashbuckling anal rigpig pocket flask

The US was never first world anyway these terms are stupid now so much of what u birdbrains consider third world does many things better than US... Like wtf are there barely any hobos or mentally deranged or fats in Laos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#47530796)



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:59 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Disrespectful Laser Beams

is the implication that america is third world because we dont have enough Anders Breiviks and we don't reward them with things like Console Gaming for their Acts of Heroism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2370672&forum_id=2Vannesa#49186467)