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Seems obvious the S&P500 & DJIA will trim 10-15% some time in the next 12 months

Is it shrewd to just move money completely out of equities n...
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
if you think this is the play, put it into BIL or SGOV and s...
Hairraiser stage boltzmann
  10/07/25
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  10/07/25
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Judgmental Space Cuck
  10/07/25
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galvanic deer antler
  10/07/25
People like you thought this last year too. And the year be...
Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena
  10/07/25
A year ago it was clear the AI hype cycle had just ramped up...
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
nigga, if ther eis going to be an AI bubble it wont be for y...
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
Hindsight fallacy
Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena
  10/07/25
Ran here, toting bags of inflated paper gains
swashbuckling macaca point
  10/07/25
ive been selling so that means market will moon another 10-2...
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
...
Magical razzle theater
  10/07/25
the money printers will continue.
Lime stage
  10/07/25
Until one day they won't. But I'm sure we'll all be fine
Magical razzle theater
  10/07/25
i can't predict the future, but i can guarun-fucking-tee you...
Hairraiser stage boltzmann
  10/07/25
...
Bronze weed whacker brunch
  10/07/25
(japanesebusinessdood)
Magical razzle theater
  10/07/25
The limiting factor is that we’re now selling too much...
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
If consensus was 10% drop then the market would drop 10% now...
White Contagious Wagecucks
  10/07/25
This seems very credited.
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
trying to time this is stupid. over the last 12 years, you ...
Cocky alpha
  10/07/25
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boyish brilliant locus bbw
  10/07/25
don't listen to these idiots. sell now and then buy back in ...
Buff University Turdskin
  10/07/25
Market timing trading is one of the biggest low IQ tells in ...
Bronze weed whacker brunch
  10/07/25
But we KNEW it would keep going up last year!!!
Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena
  10/07/25
Ok so when should I sell guys??
vigorous famous landscape painting
  10/07/25
You never sell. Just buy forever and then pass the holdings ...
fragrant institution quadroon
  10/07/25
Their heirs? Believe it or not they can also never sell
Judgmental Space Cuck
  10/07/25
when (a) you need the money or (b) clearly have somewh...
up-to-no-good big parlour
  10/07/25
basically it's a lesson every young investor or trader learn...
Cocky alpha
  10/07/25
Other people can’t but I know when to time the market
vigorous famous landscape painting
  10/07/25
Comparing the past to the current market, which is largely p...
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
55x
Flatulent Know-it-all Location Circlehead
  10/07/25
I'm holding strc but plan to sell on October 15th after I ge...
Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night
  10/07/25
wtf is a bullish puts nigga?
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
Number only go up, FRIEND
Judgmental Space Cuck
  10/07/25
Fuck I should've sold this am. This was the top.
Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night
  10/07/25
...
elite idea he suggested
  10/07/25
for every top there's a bottom
Hairraiser stage boltzmann
  10/07/25
Sup chasten
Wild demanding main people nursing home
  10/07/25
this thread is so retarded, literally every 12m period u hav...
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
timing the market is very dangerous. just DCA and let do. ...
concupiscible blood rage
  10/07/25
TSLA is absolutely trash and never made any profit if you ex...
Disrespectful spot
  10/07/25
as a car company, yes. they are going to own the robotaxi an...
concupiscible blood rage
  10/07/25
assuming we enact 200% tariffs on chyna, of course
Magical razzle theater
  10/07/25
Use all your money to short the market and make a fortune.
burgundy hairless sanctuary roommate
  10/07/25
Why would 10% be enough to get you to do this? Seems dumb.
twinkling impressive nowag faggotry
  10/07/25
the premise of this is that AI is hype, when we are still se...
nubile fiercely-loyal love of her life wrinkle
  10/07/25
is this really true regarding improvements?
Lime stage
  10/07/25
How should he respond to that?
chartreuse mind-boggling parlor telephone
  10/07/25
I think there’s some confusion around this subject bec...
nubile fiercely-loyal love of her life wrinkle
  10/07/25
...
Lime stage
  10/07/25
One of the most interesting frontiers in machine learning at...
exciting shrine azn
  10/07/25
Progress of LLMs means roughly fuck all right now. These ar...
Pearl meetinghouse
  10/07/25
Interesting. Ty
Lime stage
  10/07/25
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passionate chocolate theatre gaping
  10/08/25
The market is definitely either go up bigly or go down U...
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
trim and sell puts
clear area gaming laptop
  10/07/25
ljl ive had puts MU and SOXL last week or so and each day th...
Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig
  10/07/25
i said SELL puts, not buy, nigger
clear area gaming laptop
  10/07/25
EXIT ALL EXPOSED POSITIOSN
histrionic heaven
  10/07/25
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up-to-no-good big parlour
  10/07/25
everyone thinks this, so if you're a contrarian, the market ...
clear area gaming laptop
  10/07/25
A good cure for this kind of thinking is to re-read perma-be...
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  10/07/25
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cerebral azure box office twinkling uncleanness
  10/08/25
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  10/07/25
Okay but this is probably the top. Go all cash and buy the ...
Judgmental Space Cuck
  10/08/25
I tried to warn u guys
Judgmental Space Cuck
  10/11/25
When is good to buy? We are 2% off top now
Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night
  10/11/25
I bought some after market closed yesterday since S&P di...
Beady-eyed Pit
  10/11/25
450
Hairraiser stage boltzmann
  10/11/25
this looks an awful lot like march-april, when i bought HOOD...
concupiscible blood rage
  10/11/25
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burgundy hairless sanctuary roommate
  10/11/25


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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:18 AM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

Is it shrewd to just move money completely out of equities now? And put it where? USTs? I have a hard time believing that there much more room to run with this scammy phase where 90+% of the gains are based on these imaginary future data centers that would crash the grid if they actually all got built. It’s a shame crypto got so bastardized and tied to this scam cycle, since a major part of the point of it once upon a time was to be a refuge in this kind of situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331480)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: Hairraiser stage boltzmann

if you think this is the play, put it into BIL or SGOV and sit back and wait. but people have been doing this for a year or two now and crying themselves to sleep at night. also when the 10% dip comes you're going to chicken out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331483)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:27 AM
Author: sable trip indian lodge foreskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331593)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:59 AM
Author: Judgmental Space Cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331664)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:11 PM
Author: galvanic deer antler

/thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331700)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:23 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena

People like you thought this last year too. And the year before.

Eventually you’ll be right, after missing out on 50% gains.

I remember a prominent poaster loudly proclaiming he was going all cash after the first few months of the Trump run first term.

He retired a couple of years later. The S&P is up 3x since.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331484)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

A year ago it was clear the AI hype cycle had just ramped up. There are many more indicators that it’s maturing now. The main pillar of this thesis is that we’re timing the pullback of that specific cycle. It’s certain that it’s sooner than 30 months out and the over/under would be set at around 9 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331509)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:51 AM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

nigga, if ther eis going to be an AI bubble it wont be for years cause Ai shit is just starting nigga no one knows how it will play out nigga

ps im retarded and gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331522)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena

Hindsight fallacy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331570)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:17 AM
Author: swashbuckling macaca point

Ran here, toting bags of inflated paper gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331571)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

ive been selling so that means market will moon another 10-20% easily



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331489)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: Magical razzle theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331496)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: Lime stage

the money printers will continue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331494)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:33 AM
Author: Magical razzle theater

Until one day they won't. But I'm sure we'll all be fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331499)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: Hairraiser stage boltzmann

i can't predict the future, but i can guarun-fucking-tee you the money printers will never stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331500)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: Bronze weed whacker brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331579)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:27 AM
Author: Magical razzle theater

(japanesebusinessdood)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331591)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 10:37 AM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

The limiting factor is that we’re now selling too much debt and we’re running out of buyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331506)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:02 AM
Author: White Contagious Wagecucks

If consensus was 10% drop then the market would drop 10% now.

I think the current gains aren’t sustainable. But that might just mean a decade of slow gains.

I am diversifying. Was 99% VOO for the past ten years. But I’m adding some BND and SGOV for diversification. If the market tanks 10% I’ll move back to full VOO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331550)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:11 PM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

This seems very credited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332502)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Cocky alpha

trying to time this is stupid. over the last 12 years, you could identify 2-3 times a year when equities looked way too high and a pullback was "certain."

just keep DCAing into the market. forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331555)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:57 PM
Author: boyish brilliant locus bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332597)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:14 AM
Author: Buff University Turdskin

don't listen to these idiots. sell now and then buy back in when prices are 15% below today's prices. guaranteed profit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331565)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:19 AM
Author: Bronze weed whacker brunch

Market timing trading is one of the biggest low IQ tells in the known universe. You will not get it right, don't bother trying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331575)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac avocado crackhouse striped hyena

But we KNEW it would keep going up last year!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331595)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: vigorous famous landscape painting

Ok so when should I sell guys??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331635)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: fragrant institution quadroon

You never sell. Just buy forever and then pass the holdings to ur heirs for DAT step up basis (they can also never sell btw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331674)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:30 PM
Author: Judgmental Space Cuck

Their heirs? Believe it or not they can also never sell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331753)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: up-to-no-good big parlour

when

(a) you need the money or

(b) clearly have somewhere better to put it (eg exuent is pushing $8 SOL)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332138)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: Cocky alpha

basically it's a lesson every young investor or trader learns in their first couple years. i'm always amazed when i hear 50-somethings talk about shit like this. you've had 30+ years in the market and you think you're going to time it right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331715)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:15 PM
Author: vigorous famous landscape painting

Other people can’t but I know when to time the market

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332514)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:33 PM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

Comparing the past to the current market, which is largely premised on continued spending by a handful of companies and hugely dependent on one company that routinely overpromises and underdelivers, is dumb. It’s a specific business cycle for one set of products in one industry. That’s definitely something knowledgeable analysts who study that industry and those products should be expected to predict with reasonable success.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332547)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:26 AM
Author: Flatulent Know-it-all Location Circlehead

55x

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331588)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:29 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night

I'm holding strc but plan to sell on October 15th after I get my dividends with long term cap gains. I think right now can try to sell bullish outs of Amazon. If market drops you get it about 10% off current price. Otherwise just get 1%/month gain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331603)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

wtf is a bullish puts nigga?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331738)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: Judgmental Space Cuck

Number only go up, FRIEND

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331667)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night

Fuck I should've sold this am. This was the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331675)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: elite idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331759)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 2:56 PM
Author: Hairraiser stage boltzmann

for every top there's a bottom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332145)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 6:57 PM
Author: Wild demanding main people nursing home

Sup chasten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332690)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:31 PM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

this thread is so retarded, literally every 12m period u have a 10% drawdown u stupid nigga, did u really think u wld go anotehr year without 10% down ever nigga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331758)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: concupiscible blood rage

timing the market is very dangerous. just DCA and let do.

i've always been a big believer in the S&P or total stock market index funds, but i have put like $250k into individual stocks - TSLA, NVDA, PLTR, HOOD, RKLB (thanks poaster). i think these companies are all strong long-term HODLS. i could be wrong, who knows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331769)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 2:58 PM
Author: Disrespectful spot

TSLA is absolutely trash and never made any profit if you exclude subsidies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332151)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 4:16 PM
Author: concupiscible blood rage

as a car company, yes. they are going to own the robotaxi and home robot markets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332357)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: Magical razzle theater

assuming we enact 200% tariffs on chyna, of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332512)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: burgundy hairless sanctuary roommate

Use all your money to short the market and make a fortune.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49331793)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 3:02 PM
Author: twinkling impressive nowag faggotry

Why would 10% be enough to get you to do this? Seems dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332158)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 3:12 PM
Author: nubile fiercely-loyal love of her life wrinkle

the premise of this is that AI is hype, when we are still seeing reasonable sized gains on most AI benchmarks every 1-2 months. Opus 4.1 and Sonnet 2.5 were released two months apart and saw a small but meaningful performance boost. the current training runs likely only used a maximum of around 10x the training compute of the first version of GPT-4, and the new clusters will support 100x training runs. in all likelihood, the models 2 years from now are likely to be significantly more powerful and generally useful and could plausibly justify even more crazy datacenter building.

energy is likely to only be a major obstacle by around 2030, when training runs are likely to be capped at 10,000x GPT-4 scale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332171)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Lime stage

is this really true regarding improvements?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332473)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: chartreuse mind-boggling parlor telephone

How should he respond to that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332474)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: nubile fiercely-loyal love of her life wrinkle

I think there’s some confusion around this subject because gpt-5 was only slightly better than o3 on most benchmarks. The problem with this is that there was a small period of time between o3 and GPT-5. OpenAI has been steadily releasing new models since GPT-4, so there was no large jump in model capabilities. GPT-5 is still significantly better than GPT-4 though. It appears there is still substantial room for more RL training so that models can more effectively leverage chain of thought, so large data centers are likely to enhance model quality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332500)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: Lime stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332728)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: exciting shrine azn

One of the most interesting frontiers in machine learning at the moment is combining reasoning optimizations (e.g., RL + CoT) with architectural specialization (e.g., MoE) to better achieve a balance between efficiency and reasoning depth. In MoE models, gating networks decide which experts should process each token, but lack knowledge of the extent to which a downstream expert's reasoning improves the model's factual accuracy and logical coherence. By using RL to fine-tune the gating policy, the model will reward gates that select experts leading to better long-term reasoning outcomes. The gating network would then become a policy rather than an immutable learned function.

This becomes even more interesting when applied to multimodal transformations, e.g., video-to-audio (video input generates audio output), video-to-text, and image-to-video. I'd imagine within the decade, we'll see models that can output entire film scores using MoE as a multimodal router: A vision expert for generating motion, spatial, and gesture features, an audio expert for synchronized sound/voice, a language expert for narrative intent, and a style expert to enforce cinematic tone, pacing, and emotion. The gating network would learn to select the correct expert sequence or combination for each transformation stage. Here, RL would ensure that the final perceptual outcome aligns with both factual and aesthetic goals. That's where the industry is partially heading.

Because each modality in a multidomain system has its own geometry (computer vision embeds spatial-temporal tensors, audio embeds time-frequency spectrograms, text embeds discrete semantic tokens, graphs embed relational topologies, etc.), we can't use common reasoning or routing layers to directly operate on all of them. Embeddings unify these spaces into shared manifolds that enable measurement of similarity, causality, and semantic relationships. Among them, graph embeddings are especially powerful for structuring multimodal reasoning to capture contextual causality, thus enabling a CoT reasoner to query or traverse the embedded graph as a semantic memory. If integrated before gating, the gate would see the relational context (i.e., the gate not only sees "visual feature = lightning" but also "this causes sound event "thunder"). Integration during reasoning would allow CoT steps to traverse edges ("because A->B, we expect C") and integration after generation would facilitate validation of cross-modal consistency.

This is particularly powerful because graph embeddings enable compositional reasoning, giving the model the ability to infer unseen relationships ("A is taller than B and B is taller than C, so A must be taller than C"). Moreover, embeddings act as a shared state between experts enabling different experts to read/write to the same latent "memory". When MoE routing becomes embedding-aware, the gating policy can use distance/centrality/clustering in the embedding's space to select experts. Finally, embeddings provide structural support to CoT, because the reasoning steps traverse embedded graphs (symbolic + neural) rather than linear token sequences.

If we define "reasoning" to mean navigating in embedded space via learned expert operators under an RL-optimized policy, then AGI is already here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49333034)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: Pearl meetinghouse

Progress of LLMs means roughly fuck all right now. These are still effectively tech tool parlor tricks in an enterprise context and any effort to monetize the consumer side beyond what’s already been done will kill growth.

The skeptical case is specific to the lack of actual implementation of real, measurable and successful AI deployments in large enterprises. And while we all may grasp that it’s inevitable on a long enough timeline, there’s still as much uncertainty of where we will be in two years as there was a year ago. Cf. public cloud adoption where 1) the business cycle was perfectly timed, and 2) there were these enthusiastic large scale early adopters who had logical and intuitive reasons to take the leap and prefer it as the premise of how they would operate in the future. We are already at a point where companies who were interested in AI implementations tried some evals and have let their enthusiasts spend 6+ quarters hyping their projects while they’ve dicked around. The hope a year ago and currently is that most of those companies are going to follow those evals up with actual spend of dollars in their BU budgets, but many companies are just trying other evals and not putting up any real money.

The current phase of the hype cycle is there are a bunch of bigcorp middle managers who have spent the last 2-3 years super studying AI and hoping that it was their ticket to an exec title and the career success they have craved for the last 7-10 years (since they realized they missed the boat with cloud and SaaS). When their management decides to pull the plug on any real spend—eg because we have 2-3 straight quarters of stagflation and demand for their products is slowing and they want to tighten belts to support the stock price—there will be a correction. I don’t think it will be a huge crash, thus my 10-15% call, basically putting the market back at the trajectory it had from 2010-2019. But I’d call some kind of correction like that more likely than not between now and the midterms (for obvious reasons).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332540)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: Lime stage

Interesting. Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332730)



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Date: October 8th, 2025 9:14 AM
Author: passionate chocolate theatre gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49333894)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 4:56 PM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

The market is definitely either go up bigly or go down

Until a few days ago the sentiment was THIS RALLY IS CRAZSY its gonna crash but then u had a few bigwigs say oh its gonna boom more and now the sentiment seems positive

which prob means its gonna crash but who cares cause jews rule so actually a 10% correction now wld be healthy for QQQ 700

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332481)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:14 PM
Author: clear area gaming laptop

trim and sell puts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332511)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 5:36 PM
Author: Vibrant Glassy Coffee Pot Filthpig

ljl ive had puts MU and SOXL last week or so and each day they still go up

u have to literally time the market perfectly to make money on puts in this market cause shit cld easily just go up 5% more

alt is to keep buying down as u get ass raped and hope it has a down day like today

but just buying a put 3m out? it cld get ass raped if market keeps going way up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332554)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 6:12 PM
Author: clear area gaming laptop

i said SELL puts, not buy, nigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332621)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: histrionic heaven

EXIT ALL EXPOSED POSITIOSN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332647)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 7:18 PM
Author: up-to-no-good big parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332721)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 6:30 PM
Author: clear area gaming laptop

everyone thinks this, so if you're a contrarian, the market is dangerously undervalued. you should buy more!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49332651)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:02 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stain

A good cure for this kind of thinking is to re-read perma-bear articles from 2010-present. John Hussman is particularly strong in this genre. Market is overvalued, historically high valuations, expected returns are negative, portfolio is fully hedged, I have a PhD and called the last two crashes, blah, blah. For fifteen years. Meanwhile random morons buying index funds with 2 seconds of though made 10-15% year with no lasting downturns. YOLO gamblers and skilled investors did even better. But yes eventually stocks will go down so better panic-sell today!

That said stocks do have risk, so if you’re carrying more risk than you want, yes of course bring it down. Pay off debts, carry some allocation to cash/bonds, whatever. But there are zero smart rich people who made it by flipping between 0% and 100% equities based on general sentiment.

Edit: I forgot to note that everything is always scammy. Tech bubble, Enron, Worldcom, Lehman, NINJA loans, Madoff, crypto, AI. There’s always something to worry about. That’s why you don’t buy one stock and ride it to zero. But good investments make up for all the scams.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49333336)



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Date: October 8th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: cerebral azure box office twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49333883)



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Date: October 7th, 2025 11:20 PM
Author: diverse ultramarine doctorate stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49333382)



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Date: October 8th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: Judgmental Space Cuck

Okay but this is probably the top. Go all cash and buy the dip.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49335419)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Judgmental Space Cuck

I tried to warn u guys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49342133)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:50 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy messiness queen of the night

When is good to buy? We are 2% off top now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49341684)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 10:58 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Pit

I bought some after market closed yesterday since S&P dipped 2.7%. Will buy more Monday/Tuesday if it continues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49341696)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 11:00 AM
Author: Hairraiser stage boltzmann

450

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49341703)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 11:16 AM
Author: concupiscible blood rage

this looks an awful lot like march-april, when i bought HOOD (up 400%) and TSLA (up like 60%)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49341725)



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Date: October 11th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: burgundy hairless sanctuary roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5783988&forum_id=2Vannesa#49343018)