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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Sable dashing garrison
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
saffron abusive roommate
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
mahogany big temple
  06/15/18
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contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin
  06/15/18
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contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Stimulating giraffe rehab
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
indigo state quadroon
  10/06/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  02/12/22
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Sable dashing garrison
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
free-loading disrespectful indirect expression
  06/15/18
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contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin
  06/15/18
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gold racy kitchen
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
free-loading disrespectful indirect expression
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
poppy flirting potus
  06/15/18
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Trip bull headed affirmative action multi-billionaire
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
cowardly galvanic theater stage prole
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Fear-inspiring glittery range
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
hateful buck-toothed candlestick maker
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Stimulating giraffe rehab
  06/15/18
sounds 180
free-loading disrespectful indirect expression
  06/15/18
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Trip bull headed affirmative action multi-billionaire
  06/15/18
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gold racy kitchen
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
wild milky mother
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contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin
  06/15/18
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mahogany big temple
  06/15/18
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gold racy kitchen
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
gold racy kitchen
  06/15/18
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hateful buck-toothed candlestick maker
  06/15/18
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Salmon charismatic market queen of the night
  06/15/18
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gold racy kitchen
  02/15/21
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Salmon charismatic market queen of the night
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Sable dashing garrison
  10/06/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  01/18/25
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Anal Ebony Laser Beams Hall
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Aphrodisiac Ruby Field
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Sable dashing garrison
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
onyx persian
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Sable dashing garrison
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
onyx persian
  06/15/18
Explain
Sable dashing garrison
  06/15/18
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Sable dashing garrison
  06/16/18
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Sable dashing garrison
  09/04/18
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Salmon charismatic market queen of the night
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Razzmatazz Half-breed Foreskin
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
mustard people who are hurt
  06/15/18
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Sable dashing garrison
  02/12/21
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pearl beta striped hyena
  02/12/21
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gold racy kitchen
  02/15/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Slate cumskin
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
motley gaping
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Sable dashing garrison
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
supple plum wagecucks
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Sable dashing garrison
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
supple plum wagecucks
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Sable dashing garrison
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
topaz boistinker church
  02/12/21
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pearl beta striped hyena
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Slate cumskin
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
topaz boistinker church
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Irradiated crackhouse fat ankles
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
topaz boistinker church
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Irradiated crackhouse fat ankles
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
motley gaping
  02/12/21
lol no
titillating friendly grandma
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Rebellious Translucent Associate
  02/15/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  06/29/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  10/06/21
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odious station cuck
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
idiotic rough-skinned lettuce
  10/06/21
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Sable dashing garrison
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: saffron abusive roommate

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: mahogany big temple

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#43955228)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Stimulating giraffe rehab

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: indigo state quadroon

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: free-loading disrespectful indirect expression

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: free-loading disrespectful indirect expression

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: poppy flirting potus

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Trip bull headed affirmative action multi-billionaire



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: cowardly galvanic theater stage prole

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring glittery range

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: hateful buck-toothed candlestick maker

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Stimulating giraffe rehab

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: free-loading disrespectful indirect expression

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Trip bull headed affirmative action multi-billionaire



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: wild milky mother

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: contagious aquamarine windowlicker turdskin



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: mahogany big temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: hateful buck-toothed candlestick maker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic market queen of the night



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Salmon charismatic market queen of the night



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Ruby Field

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: onyx persian

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: onyx persian

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Salmon charismatic market queen of the night



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Half-breed Foreskin

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: mustard people who are hurt

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: pearl beta striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: gold racy kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Slate cumskin

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: motley gaping

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: supple plum wagecucks

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: supple plum wagecucks

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: topaz boistinker church

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: pearl beta striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Slate cumskin

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: topaz boistinker church

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Irradiated crackhouse fat ankles

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: topaz boistinker church

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Irradiated crackhouse fat ankles

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: motley gaping

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: titillating friendly grandma

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Rebellious Translucent Associate

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: odious station cuck



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: idiotic rough-skinned lettuce

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Vannesa#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Sable dashing garrison



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