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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:28 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/kxrmhs/stonehenge_before_it_was_rebuilt_in_1901/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962588) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:29 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo should keep historical ruins as they really are, not something some asshole built using "best guess" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962591) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:30 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested yeah i mean, they're already ruined! lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962594) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:27 PM Author: Fuchsia office pistol There were plenty of pictures of it before that photograph. Here is one from 1530: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Stonehenge_Lucas_de_Heere.jpg/1280px-Stonehenge_Lucas_de_Heere.jpg |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:33 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested that's a cartoon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962839) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:35 PM Author: big school well they didn't have cameras (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962848) |
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Date: July 27th, 2024 7:18 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47900460) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:16 PM Author: Sapphire useless brakes british attempt at the pantheon
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 11:10 AM Author: Cerebral kitchen Those "ancient Britons" were all potatohead Celts...Anglo-Saxons hadn't arrived in Britain yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45966222) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 12:44 PM Author: Amber Heady Son Of Senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45966691) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:41 PM Author: fragrant nursing home You might be surprised how many famous structures that would mean ripping down again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962883) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:30 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Look closely and you’ll find (disappointedly) this has happened with most sites. shatters any notion of historical preservation over mass amounts of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962592) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:32 PM Author: chest-beating blue travel guidebook Well obviously things won't stand up to centuries of nature and it's on humans to maintain it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962600) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:33 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo I don't like made up stuff friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962604) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:36 PM Author: laughsome gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962617) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested the roman coliseum just underwent a huge renovation to add a chipotle and a holocaust museum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962619) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:35 PM Author: glittery macaca native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962850) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:45 PM Author: Walnut church doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962897) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:02 PM Author: fragrant nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963788) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 4:36 AM Author: Aphrodisiac blathering immigrant hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965479) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 4:49 AM Author: Mustard Marketing Idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965481) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 2:46 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032096) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: hairraiser voyeur yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962622) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:40 PM Author: chest-beating blue travel guidebook So if you visit some ancient religious building do you get all maf that it's been continually repainted all this time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962635) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 3:04 PM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone If people are still practicing that religion it makes sense. Stonhenge is a relic of some ancient society that flamed out and died. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032252) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 3:09 PM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone The most likely reason the Eastern Island heads were buried underground is because people loathed that political/cultural regime and wanted to destroy what was left of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032290) |
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Date: December 28th, 2023 2:09 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47221586) |
Date: February 21st, 2023 2:31 PM Author: shimmering prole no one knows who they were. or, what they were doing. but their legacy remains. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962597) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:31 PM Author: disgusting resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962598) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:43 PM Author: supple institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962888) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:36 PM Author: dashing weed whacker https://preview.redd.it/sogjmyhlpmu61.jpg?auto=webp&s=541b676dfa28d2474677b0163620136542278411 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962618) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: crystalline ratface the middle eastern fraud is even greater, just piles of sand that they manage to put back together into giant things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962625) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962627) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962626) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962629) |
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Date: February 27th, 2023 12:03 PM Author: Milky Filthy Meetinghouse Tbf seems like mostly of overgrowth was removed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45987829) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: hairraiser voyeur yarmulke Pic in 1801: empty field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962620) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:37 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962624) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2024 10:03 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47770841) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:40 PM Author: hyperventilating lettuce https://preview.redd.it/5prw683wtil71.jpg?auto=webp&s=d0a98cdc5539cdb8624ab454568b05d2f3c0fc2c
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:40 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Fuck this world :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962638) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:24 PM Author: Navy feces idea he suggested so they removed some plants and dirt and took a power washer to it. big whoop! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962800) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:35 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo ljl if you believe that's all these fraudsters did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963688) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:36 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Machu Picchu was built in the classical Inca style, with polished dry-stone walls. Its three primary structures are the Intihuatana, the Temple of the Sun, and the Room of the Three Windows. Most of the outlying buildings have been reconstructed in order to give visitors a better idea of how they originally appeared.[14] By 1976, 30% of Machu Picchu had been restored[14] and restoration continues.[15] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963695) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 2:40 PM Author: lake factory reset button gunner It was a fight arena
That’s what they used it for |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 3:23 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45962792) |
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Date: August 28th, 2024 9:17 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48020918) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:43 PM Author: grizzly mad-dog skullcap heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963721) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:41 PM Author: maniacal mexican Reminder no one knows what any of the stones are or where they came from or how they got there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963712) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:42 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Where do the large sarsen stones used to build Stonehenge come from?
It’s a mystery that has puzzled archaeologists and geologists for hundreds of years – and it has finally been solved by academics from the University of Brighton.
A two-year investigation led by Professor David Nash, the university’s professor of physical geography, has revealed that most of the sarsen stones came from West Woods on the edge of the Marlborough Downs in Wiltshire, around 15 miles north of Stonehenge.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/ancient-history/stonehenge-mystery-solved-brighton-university-sarsen-stones-where-did-they-come-from/ |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:27 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963910) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:29 PM Author: maniacal mexican It’s flame. But seriously, Stonehenge is fuckin weird. It had been there for hundreds of years by the time the Romans arrived in 70AD or whenever. Nobody then knew what the fuck it was. |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:31 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Odd case, indeed.
Links to other historical oddities? |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 8:13 PM Author: Primrose unholy space sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45964116) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 6:38 AM Author: tantric place of business lodge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_of_Jars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965573) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 6:43 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Thx.
Also, lol:
Between May 1964 and the summer of 1969, the Plain of Jars was heavily bombed by the U.S. Air Force (USAF) (see Secret War) operating against North Vietnamese and Pathet Lao communist forces.[4] This included 262 million anti-personnel cluster bombs. An estimated 80 million of these did not explode and remain a deadly threat to the population.[5][6][7]
The large quantity of unexploded bombs in the area, especially cluster munitions, limits free movement. Evidence of the bombing raids can be seen in the form of broken or displaced jars and bomb craters. Sightseeing on the Plain of Jars can only be done safely on cleared and marked pathways. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 6:47 AM Author: tantric place of business lodge Amazing I've never heard about it. Five years of intensive bombing by the USAF and hundreds of millions of munitions dropped. The scale of this war crime is completely obscure in US history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965583) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 1:10 PM Author: big school We bombed them back to the Stone Age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45966850) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 11:26 AM Author: big school About 4000 years ago Native Americans built a solar aligned party playa identical to Burning man. All the different tribes would travel a thousand miles to trip balls on the solstice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_Point |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 12:41 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45966675) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 3:07 PM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone Biology explains 99% of this shit. Foragers were moving with the seasons and hunters were following migration patterns. Everyone from every tribe would have encountered the other tribes while they were picking tunas in the same cactus patch in the same month of the year. It doesn't require genius to think they'd find a mutually convenient place to gather and party peacefully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032272) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 11:28 AM Author: big school There are 35,000 megaliths in just Europe, but they are everywhere. And when you consider that many are underwater due to rising sea levels compared to 6,000 years ago, it’s just kooky all the shit these people were getting up to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:50 AM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone Did they follow the stars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992866) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:43 PM Author: dashing weed whacker apparently the 1901 photo is after a bad storm knocked over several of the stones, which created the need for it to be “rebuilt.” If you look at older photos it looks like the Stonehenge we know
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/victorian-stonehenge-picnic-photos |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:46 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963728) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:51 PM Author: pale marvelous party of the first part this dude is a proto-IG manshrew
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:51 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963747) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 6:51 PM Author: aggressive passionate filthpig cuckold doesn't pass the smell test, what kind of "bad storm" occurs in England with the strength to blow down gigantic stone monoliths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963746) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:26 PM Author: racy chocolate station For the first time in thousands of years no less (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963903) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 10:44 AM Author: dashing weed whacker several of the stones were already tilted several degrees by thousands of years of erosion. the restoration placed them upright again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45966077) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2024 8:48 PM Author: 180 sepia national security agency But how did the restorers lift those giant stones? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47770133) |
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Date: February 21st, 2023 7:23 PM Author: 180 sepia national security agency Grind a little finer, wagecucks, that ye may secure your legacy in time’s fullness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45963894) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 6:44 AM Author: White coffee pot https://smarthistory.org/conservation-knossos/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965581) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2023 6:50 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo ....more fucking fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45965585) |
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Date: February 24th, 2023 1:40 AM Author: White coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45973931) |
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Date: February 24th, 2023 1:41 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45973932) |
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Date: February 27th, 2023 12:56 PM Author: Abnormal Locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45988123) |
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Date: February 27th, 2023 7:10 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#45989893) |
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Date: December 25th, 2023 8:05 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47212484) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2024 9:17 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47768488) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2024 6:22 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47769915) |
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Date: July 19th, 2024 9:22 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47865461) |
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Date: July 19th, 2024 9:22 AM Author: contagious market skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47865463) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:37 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992830) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:40 AM Author: Claret Swashbuckling Nibblets Garrison alot of euro historicla sites are like this, i imagine lots of the shit in greece and rome was rebuilt and in many cases they just didnt admit shit or with passage of time ppl dont even care
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:43 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Fuck :( friend :(.... I heard the Roman Pantheon is basically original, but what else is original and not fraud reconstruction? Surely there must be other examples my friend. Thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992850) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:53 AM Author: Claret Swashbuckling Nibblets Garrison basiclaly original, how wld u verify? the govt 200 years ago cld hav ejust put it gotether and then said its legit and no one wld remember 50 years later and now ppl wld think its old (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992876) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:45 AM Author: dashing weed whacker If the structures are actually there how is it fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992853) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 8:48 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo Like half of Europe includes buildings and churches and other structures that have fallen down completely or nearly completely two to three times, and rebuilt. If rebuilt, you will be lucky to find some original aspects of the structure in the reconstructed building, and of course, the fraud owners claim the original date of the building as when it was built (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992862) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 9:06 AM Author: dashing weed whacker What about Stonehenge? Isn’t that all the original materials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47992915) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 3:02 PM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone Who knows what was there before white people got to it? There could have been a big wooden structure around it and the stones were "indoors" who knows? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032235) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2024 10:10 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47996563) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2024 7:23 AM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#47997653) |
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Date: August 28th, 2024 9:28 PM Author: Erotic Plum Telephone Looks like something Africans would make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48021014) |
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Date: August 31st, 2024 3:10 PM Author: Comical chapel affirmative action The Auschwitz "gas chambers" are also a "reconstruction" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#48032294) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Coral milk water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294454&forum_id=2Vannesa#49504961) |