I'll concede that the season isn't over yet, but Judge is on pace to hit >60 her with a 1.200 ops.

How many seasons did your 2 homies do that? Oh yeah, none.

I'll accept my apology now. Tyia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013288)

How many seasons did your 2 homies do that? Oh yeah, none."

Barry Bonds had 3 seasons with an OPS above 1.379, and hit 73 HR in one of them.

As for A Rod and Mike Trout, we're talking about aggregate performance over a career vs peak performance in a given season. Totally admit the season Judge is putting up is unbelievable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013315)

The only explanation here is racism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013339)

he's a phenom, but best ever isn't even good flame/bait

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48012558)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/judgeaa01.shtml#all_hof_other

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/troutmi01.shtml#all_hof_other

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48012576)

DING! Fag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013274)

2018-2020: injury-plagued to where he was not even in the conversation for best current baseball player

2021: great year but Ohtani had a better year at the plate while also pitching at a top level which is insane if you look at what happens when any other athlete attempts the crossover

2022: obviously a monster year, performing at a level that if sustained would put him on the short list

2023: hurt again

2024: back to 2022 form

So 4 big years and now he's 32. Even comparing to other modern players, he would need a lot more good years to pass ARod and Bonds and I'd lay odds against it happening. And if we're talking about greatest baseball player of all time in a hypothetical alternative reality where MLB always had clear rules on PEDs and a flawless testing program, I don't know how to adjust historic performances or whether current guys are on something that flies under the radar but would be banned in a perfect world.

And if throw out the best players of the period that most of us remember, then the competition is Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Williams, etc. In making these comparisons it's simply not interesting to observe that modern players with better nutrition, training, competition and selection mechanisms are physically stronger than dudes from 100 years ago. You measure actual performance vs. the actual competition as it existed in each player's time, because any other debate about non-overlapping players is mere speculation. If Judge had the durability to bang out 2000 games in a row his per-game production is sufficient to put him near the top, but he doesn't, and baseball greatness is usually measured by career performance rather than per-game performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48012740)

>baseball greatness is usually measured by career performance rather than per-game performance.

for pitchers, is this a little different? koufax, pedro and halliday come to mind as guys who had extrmely high peaks but didnt exactly have longevity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48012749)

Koufax is a special case in a bunch of ways (Brooklyn Jewish guy playing for NY/LA in the postwar period, so it would literally be impossible for someone to attract more media attention and boomer nostalgia; plus he really was exceptionally good).

Pedro and Halladay had normal declines for pitchers in their mid-30s who had carried big workloads and had some bad luck. Ideally they would have squeezed out a few more good years, and longevity/quality volume is a positive point for a few peers such as Johnson, Clemens, Maddux. I loved both Pedro and Halladay in their top years, but realistically they are not #1 looking at career performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48012843)

And Soto is going to end up a Met.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013332)

def need to perform a deep statistical analysis to reach this conclusion.

your new nickname is "Mr. Baseball".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013495)

it used to be "hes a very good hitter AND also a very good pitcher. that combination makes him the best even if he's not the best at any 1 thing."

Now he's a DH and the same people are like "he's still a very good hitter AND he steals bases!"

JFC. These people would toss their own mothers down a flight of stairs if it would discredit aaron judge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48013526)

i like gambul

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5583766&forum_id=2Vannesa#48742829)