Fun Talmud Hypo: Found $100 Bill On Shabbos; OK To Kick It Home? (Link)
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 8:50 AM
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Shabbos and Yom Tov #41
Found Money
Rabbi Meir Orlian
Wed Mar 18 2026
Based on the writings of Rav Chaim Kohn, שליט''א
Based on the writings of Harav Chaim Kohn, shlita
Q
While taking a Shabbos walk, I encountered a $100 bill. Am I allowed to possess it?
There is an issue of muktzeh and — if no eruv
— an issue of carrying. Although Chazal provided certain leniencies regarding the prospective loss of one’s wallet, the leniencies are not applicable to money that is found, since it is not yours yet (O.C. 266:13).
Thus, you may not pick up the $100 bill, even if there is an eruv, because of muktzeh (Mishnah Berurah 266:38). However, according to many Acharonim, you can kick it aside with your foot to a secure place if there is an eruv (Shemiras Shabbos K’Hilchasah 22:36).
There is a dispute between the Acharonim as to whether you may tell a non-Jew to pick up the bill for you, despite its being muktzeh. However, while you may not tell him to carry it if there is no eruv, if he chooses to bring it to your house of his own accord, you do not have to stop him (Mishnah Ber-urah, ibid.).
Nonetheless, if you found a valuable item that is not muktzeh and there is an eruv, you may possess it and take it home. It is not considered a transac-tion, because there is no seller or giver. However, you should not raise it in a manner that blatantly indicates acquisition (Shemiras Shabbos K’Hilcha-sah 29:32[89]).
https://businesshalacha.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/business_weekly/item_946_en_BW_792.pdf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49761664) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:20 PM
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poor rc? it literally says "non-Jew" which is a shabbos goy
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762633) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:46 PM
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rofl didnt u live in mfh?
any goy can be a shabbos goy.
generally, you cant ask a shabbos goy directly do so something. that's why the case says "if he chooses to bring it to your house of his own accord, you do not have to stop him."
you have to hint your shabbos goy "it'd be really nice to have that $100 bill after shabbos" or "no i dont want you to pick up that $100 bill for me, but you can bring it to my house for me to have after shabbos only if you really want to"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762935)
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:54 PM
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perhaps too direct. might be better like this:
"hm, well, you could pick up that $100 bill and keep it for yourself, but too bad it's shabbos because otherwise i'd love to have that $100 myself to pay for pesach expenses. remember, you do want that loan approved, haha"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762966) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:22 PM
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cq. the answer ues the phrase "if you found a valuable item ..."
there is something in halacha about avoiding significant financial losses, but it's not clear how to apply this here... or whether a $5 or a $20 might be a valuable item.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762636) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:22 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762637) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:26 PM
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it's talking about the western law equivalent of a claim of right and taking formal ownership. remember the shit in 1L properly law about taking ownership and making a claim against the world? its kind of the same thing.
in jewish law, you acquire something through an action asserting ownership. but you can't take formal ownership on shabbos. so it's giving a loophole so you can kinda take custody of the item without really taking formal ownership.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762644) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM
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depends on whether the diamond ring is considered mukzeh.
mukzeh means something that has no shabbos purpose. you're not allowed to touch mukzeh, which is an item that has no shabbos purpose.
a $100 bill is mukzeh since it has no shabbos purpose.
a diamond ring that's wearable might not be mukzeh since women wear jewelry on shabbos.
but if you found a raw 5ct diamond, it's mukzeh.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762730) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:42 PM
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there's always yom kippur to atone for our sins!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762921) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:43 PM
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i was hoping to poast it saturday night, and couldn't poast it until mid-morning monday. it's a shonda!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762922) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:50 PM
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see joshua 10:12-14 -- joshua's long day and the moon standing still for 24 hours.
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:50 PM
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cr, and goyim excel as beasts of burden because theyve spent centuries toiling the land
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49762949) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 3:12 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49763039) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 3:13 PM
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yes, but the talmud era was 200-500 ce, and we werent allowed to own land in europe in much more recent times,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2Vannesa#49763041) |
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