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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:08 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
nothing, I just make $50k in the most expensive metro in the united states at 27 which is basically a failure. plus people assume I don't have a real job and just fuck around, which is annoying (I've actually just started saying I'm a teacher for this reason).
what I really failed at was applying to PhD programs, which I was repeated rejected from through a combo of laziness + extraordinarily bad luck. still very bitter but getting over it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28217384)
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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:13 AM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
First they poasted about Obama's America, and I gave them one hundred eighty—
Because it was all in good LOL.
Then they poasted about shitlibs, and I gave them one hundred eighty—
Because shitlibs are real retarded sir.
Then they poasted about Jezebel, and I gave them one hundred eighty—
Because they deserve to get tongue punched in the fart box.
Then they poasted about misery—because cynical faggots all were we.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28220865) |
Date: June 28th, 2015 6:52 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
"failed shitmillennial tutor, 27. applying to cash cow CS masters in the fall (most real programs/state schools require experience)."
jfc bro. this is a horrible life outcome even for xoxo. but i'm hoping you can still turn it around.
you do NOT want to go into CS at 27. you obviously do not have a real passion or knack for it, or else you would have done it much earlier. 27 is when people who started off as developers start moving out and transitioning into other things like management or founding their own startups and shit.
i understand the job market is really good for coders in the US, but shit man, you do not want to do this especially if you have to go to school first.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28218412) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:11 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
I'm pretty set, sorry. I enjoyed it a lot when I took it as a UG--no shit I'm aware that at my age many people are moving out, but I think XO is also biased by trendy startup culture. There are plenty of people employed in CS at older ages; most people of those I've talked who move out have done so because a) they want to make more money, or b) never cared much for CS in the first place and want to do something easier for the same money. I don't have much interest in megamillion$$$, I want to do CS because it's the closest I can get to my failed dream of doing something science/research related.
And TBF, XO is really fucking off on CS career paths. Yes, startups tend to be created by people in the late 20s/early 30s, but all of my CS friends (and I have a lot) are still plugging along at 27-29 except for the random guy who decided to just be a DJ.
XO has been wrong pretty much every step of the way as far as career advice in non-law/finance goes from what I've seen (and I've been here 10 years). Before I began listening to XO, I had a solid life plan and was on track. Once I started listening to XO I pretty much froze and half-assed the rest of my life after becoming hyper-pessimistic. I'm not retarded, and if there's anything I've learned from this shithole it's that if you're a smart person with a realistic plan you shouldn't fucking listen to XO or you'll kill yourself.
No shit it isn't ideal (for a number of reasons--age, cost, etc.), but this isn't some eat-pray-love BS. It's a pretty well thought-out plan B, and fuck XO for turning me into the cynical asshole that I am. This place may be right about law, but it also does a great job of discouraging people who have legitimately well thought out goals with the armchair MFE analysis.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28218518) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:49 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
There's a reason that even though CS is one of the things you can completely teach yourself, most people still go to university--it's really fucking hard to sit down and autodidact when you get down to it. It takes a genuinely top-level natural coder to pick up everything on his own IMO, which I am likely not; I'd much rather go to school and definitely learn the material than waste *another* year saying "well I'll just autodidact since it's cheaper".
Again, this "advice" is what makes XO ttt these days. I've thought this through inside and out (yes, including starting a tutoring business). I'm not an idiot dreaming of becoming a Manhattan DA while taking out 200k loans for LS--part of getting your dreams crushed is that you tend to be much more realistic when evaluating your options.
Should I have done this before? Absolutely. It sucks losing two years--I could have either a) done this program earlier, or b) at least picked up enough on my own to get into a cheap state school program that requires a background. Unfortunately this is where I fucking am, and I've considered all options thoroughly. But if you think you're already old and pretty much useless (XO cannon after age 24 or so), as well as generally cynical and bitter as fuck, guess what--you tend to just let life slide by.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219694) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:18 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
bro, have you talked to coders and CS PhD's?
This is literally something that a CS PhD has said to me "coding is basically a mechanic's work." It's as far from doing original research as you can imagine.
Yes, you can get a job switching into CS at this point. But trust me, there is a reason why people move out of CS after doing it for a few years. Coding is not a career. You will be back to where you are now after this stint, and have to figure things out all over again, just a few years older again.
and LOL at this being MFE analysis. this is the cold hard nigga truth, and if you don't see the difference, then I'm sorry.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219504)
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:28 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
Unlike you, I actually have talked to people IRL about the job and discussed the pros/cons. I also have a decent amount of math background, so ideally I would do something more driven by stats/math that involves coding rather than pure software development (or transition into the former after a few years of experience).
There is near zero fucking chance you have talked to actual CS PhDs. Why would you? A) there really aren't many of them, B) so you just had a casual conversation about how coding is really like mechanic's work? Yeah, that happens all the time. I'm sure some CS PhDs think that way, but there are also CS PhD bros who are 100x smarter than me and probably think anything less than [insanely hard to grasp academic topic] is prole. But more to the point, it's very likely you just fucking made that up to sound like an MFE. Even if you didn't, I for damn sure have put more thought into energy looking into the area and weighing my options than some random faggot on a law message board has.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219568)
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:34 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
first of all, do you even know who i am since i recently changed my moniker? i have worked as an engineer for one of the big name American tech companies, and i also currently work within the tech industry but not as an engineer anymore.
why would it be weird for me to talk to CS PhD's? I was having a beer with this guy and few other friends at a bar when it came up.
fwiw, i do know bros who switched into CS at around your age. they get a job with kind of a shittier company, and have very little career mobility. i don't think they are happy, and they tend to look to be in very bad shape physically, because coding is backbreaking labor of the modern age.
i don't doubt that you are competent enough at math to make a passable coder, but i'm telling you the most likely outcome right now (but not the only possible outcome of course). whatever you do with that information is up to you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219614) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:43 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
I just realized it, otherwise I wouldn't have put in the effort lol
For what it's worth, you're one of the worst. I remember back in the day you were actually talking complete shit about my plans (which in hindsight were entirely reasonable), in a field you no less knew literally nothing about. It's that kind of shit that seeps into your mind--even if you disagree, you can only read toxic shit so much without taking some of it in.
Of course by coincidence this is something you actually have experience with, but as someone who's never been happy for more than three years in any given job or location it seems ludicrous that you would dispense advice. Naturally you're going to look down on CS since you grow to loathe most things over time. Of all the people I've talked to, my friends in CS generally have the most positive experiences by far--they genuinely like their jobs, unlikely the people I know in finance/consulting/etc (granted some of them enjoy what they do, but it's more because some people just enjoy making lots of money--I don't care as much about money so long as it's decent and I get to use my brain on problems).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219670) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:56 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
i just keep it real. i'm not gonna be your cheerleader if your plan sounds dumb.
i think the advice i gave you before was based on my general experience with academia, which is applicable even if it wasn't geology specifically. i don't talk about my life that much on here, but i have done original research through an REU program, and have enough experience dealing with PhD's and professors to know what it's like generally.
yeah, i do hate CS more than others who have done it, but my reasons are still entirely justified and most people will arrive at the same conclusions, but might just take longer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219723)
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:03 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
"but my reasons are still entirely justified and most people will arrive at the same conclusions, but might just take longer."
How do you know that? As I said, you're pretty much the epitome of standard toxic XO. You've latched on to some facts which are true, but then distorted that into the mindset that you have the objectively correct outlook on life or a given topic, and see pretty much everything painted in the context of your supremely correct judgment.
My plan sounds dumb to you because you pretty much loathe CS and seek out any opinions which affirm your belief as such.
Like I said, I'm fully aware my plan isn't perfect or ideal, but it should work. And even if I find full-time CS miserable, as least I have the option of doing something else afterwards. Past that, if I'm a long-term depressive who ends up hating everything I'll just kill myself and be done with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219776) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:09 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
because the reasons for my hating CS are very universal? working in front of computers for long hours and doing the mental equivalent of backbreaking labor is not sustainable if you value your health, full period stop.
second, the skills you learn from working as a coder after you learn the initial ropes are completely useless. the best way to increase your efficiency is to know the SPECIFIC codebase you are working on, and that knowledge is completely non-transferable, and this is why experience in coding not nearly as sought after as other industries.
when i get resumes these days from 30+ engineers who have a laundry list of projects they worked out, this is just so glaringly obvious. they have zero advantage over some fresh graduate who did their senior project in iOS/Android. this is why it's not a CAREER.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219808) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:16 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
"when i get resumes these days from 30+ engineers who have a laundry list of projects they worked out, this is just so glaringly obvious. they have zero advantage over some fresh graduate who did their senior project in iOS/Android. this is why it's not a CAREER. "
The difference is you're concerned with prestige and moving up the ladder; which is fine, obviously many people on XO. I'm not, unless I ever stumble across my own idea which I think warrants starting a business. I could genuinely give less of a flying fuck about climbing the corporate ladder as long as I'm getting paid decently and enjoy what I'm doing (most of the time). If I'm worth a shit as a coder I'll be able to pick up new concepts and languages, and if after a few years it turns out I'm not, I'll have at least a bit of flexibility to do something else.
"working in front of computers for long hours and doing the mental equivalent of backbreaking labor is not sustainable if you value your health, full period stop."
What? Before you compared it to being a mechanic, which is pretty much the opposite of being analogous to something which is "mental equivalent of backbreaking labor".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219848) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:19 PM Author: Blathering bateful indirect expression shitlib
it's like being a mechanic because as a coder you are mostly implementing the same things and the same frameworks over and over again. you are not doing anything novel or original 99% of the time.
dood, it's not about prestige. it's about job security. coders have no job security, because if you get laid off after 30, you will have no competitive advantage on the market unlike many other industries.
the situation you have now in the US with coders is an anomaly from an acute shortage because Americans right fully value working in more chill and less mentally draining jobs, and more client facing jobs. in China, there is a shortage now too, but it's still not as bad as the US, and you see 30+ coders get absolutely SHAT on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219873) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:29 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
no dude. they have no *higher earning* job security. a biglawyer gets laid off (earl), he can go in-house (well assuming he's worked in biglaw long enough, or he's else quite proper fucked). a coder gets laid off, you still know how to fucking code. use funemployment to improve yourself.
many of those "recent graduates" have little experience in what they get hired for anyway. one of my friends did old school windows C/network programming, and now he'a fucking webdev. as long as you know the principles and how it works, someone will hire you. no, it isn't going to pay as well as much as a mid-level position, and you might not get something terribly prestigious, but you'll get a job in your field.
also: you do nothing novel 99% of the time in literally almost every career. even people doing academic research spend most of their time doing menial shit over and over again. that's just part of having a job and you learn to deal with it, and is something you've complained about pretty much ever since you started working. chose something you don't mind doing over and over that at the end of the day you can at least be kind of proud of, or lets you transition to a career where you can be proud of something you build.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219922)
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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:39 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
because you enjoy what you're doing. if you do, even though you might not know NODE.JS FAGGOTRY 6.0 LATEST HACKERNEWS BUZZWORD, it will be pretty evident that you're very competent as you'll have recs and a body of work.
besides, there are plenty of jobs where you do the same shit for most of your career. teaching, medicine/dentistry, being a mechanic, tradesmen, etc.
"but unlike other mundane repetitive jobs, coding for years and years will literally destroy your health. i have never met a long time dev who didn't look like shit physically. "
CS is also a field that for obvious reasons attracts people who don't give a shit about their health moreso than literally anything else. That's changed with the rise of bro-coders in recent years, but the previous generation (ie those who are actually older) wouldn't know a squat rack if it hit them in the fucking face.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219985) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:38 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
it's more just the boundless cynicism. unless you're a fresh faced 21 year old guy going into med school or CS/engineering who already has a wifeable gf, XO will find some way to shit on your life's path. back in the day this was due to a bunch of college/law kids being obsessed with prestige, so it wasn't as purely bitter/cynical. these days it's a bunch of older faggots who are convinced they're correct on everything they talk about.
unmarried at 30? LOL the 21 y/o wifeable gf train has left the building bro.
married at 30? LOL enjoy misery.
kids? LOL enjoy $$$ and not having a life.
no kids? LOL enjoy being alone at death and having no purpose.
not a success at 22? LOL you're old and no matter the plan it will not turn out well for [insert MFE reasoning by lawyer here].
success at 29? LOL enjoy your soul-sucking corporate job you husk of a human being. how's not having a life working out for you?
live in MFH with a babby on the way? LOL unless you're making 500k enjoy your miserable overpriced life.
life outside of MFH with a babby on the way? LOL enjoy your shitty life in the suburbs you boring old faggot.
I could go on and on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28218759) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:16 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1643021&forum_id=2#17967017
I deleted the post and content as I was mad some poasters doubted me. So being a histrionic beta at the time (this was during the LOLBOX period), instead of screenshotting it I deleted the email and wiped it from history.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219109)
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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:58 PM Author: lake learning disabled cuckold friendly grandma
sry to hear that bro, i thought you would be in nyc. also tutoring would be more lucrative in NYC
why no social life? SF kinda sucks but there's still shit to do
is yr roommate a rando?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28218966) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:02 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
there are plenty of people to tutor in the bay area man. lots of money floating around. it just requires a lot of initiative to go solo (ie make more than 50k), and I really don't want to tutor in my 30s. it was fun for a while, but I miss the pulling my hair out feeling I got way back when I took a CS class/when I was writing my thesis.
no social life because I'm a natural shutin, and the xo mindset has pretty much just turned me into a total bitchmade whiny faggot.
current one is. got kicked out of my last place (which was really sweet for the price) when someone bought and moved in the unit, after which the three of us scattered.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219005) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:14 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
For a year I had a jerb at the USGS (which has an office in menlo park). Then thanks to Obama's america we oops no funding.
After that, it was just the first thing I found. I put in a bunch of geology job apps and got no offers, and it's hard to get hired for most non tech/finance/law jobs if you don't live in the city. So I found a tutoring company that actually pays people full-time and I joined, pretty much staying because of inertia. And I really got along well with my roommates (I still talk to one of the bros).
I used to have friends here but over time I drifted more and more into shutin status.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219103) |
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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:20 PM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
the cash cow is at uchicago, so assuming I get in (which I should... it's a cash cow) I'll only be here two more months.
like I said, I used to have friends before I became a total shutin. it isn't easy to find full-time tutoring jobs, and I had no other skills to speak of. so inertia is most of the answer.
I liked it at first, but the tech boom has made the city pretty boring in terms of people you meet. Obviously it had already gentrified a lot compared to the 70s/80s and most white people by the 2000s were yuppies, but the tech boom really just took it to a new level. Non-tech guys (or other high paid professionals) really can't afford to live here any more, and I hate running in to the same people over and over. Plus everyone is really *into their job*, pretending like their fag startup matters. It sucks, because aside from the weather SF is a pretty nice city with lots of amenities here and nearby.
I considered moving to the east bay once my last apt got bought out, but LOL it's almost as expensive there as SF now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28219121) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 2:11 AM Author: carmine filthpig boltzmann
that derailed me for a time but I eventually got completely over it. it's not been an issue at all for years now
and obviously I'm to blame, it's more that XO has enabled me to slowly become adjusted to a shitty way of viewing things. I thought I was "above" the XO cynicism before I realized how thoroughly it had seeped into my line of thinking over time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2most#28221195)
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