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i think computers have made reality impossible to inhabit

i am not elaborating at this time
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
Oh well
Consuela
  06/22/26
i wrote an essay like 15 years ago about how the real world ...
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
that's true but my thesis is deeper and structural. It's not...
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
how so specifically
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
i am not elaborating at this time
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
Baudrillard associates each of those distortions of reality ...
Consuela
  06/22/26
Baudrillard is a faggot
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
yeah so
Consuela
  06/22/26
180000000
product mommy
  06/22/26
he actually had some decent ideas tbqh imho
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
dudeweed
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
https://sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content...
gay of hormuz
  06/22/26
ty, so this is where that faggot yarvin came up with "t...
Consuela
  06/22/26
This op reminded of a different Borges story On Exactitud...
ruinous phenotype
  06/22/26
My own view is that Stage Five is active, but that not every...
Richard Ames
  06/22/26
doesn't sound like a very deep and structural thesis i ca...
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
There's not a necessary relationship between "outcompet...
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
the latter is a 'why' contributor to the former imho amon...
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300078152/seeing-like-a-...
gay of hormuz
  06/22/26
hmmmm. maybe you should. it concerns me that so few others a...
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
Ok thank you for elaborating. Tankh,
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
living irl sometimes is actually fun and crrrr imho
AI has never started a F500 company
  06/22/26
"see you there"
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
if I inhabited it
AI has never started a F500 company
  06/22/26
...
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
...
gay of hormuz
  06/22/26
This is why I tell my wife when she nags me for my screen ti...
Fair pushback
  06/22/26
if "reality" didn't suck this would have never hap...
OYT and the Indie Reprieve
  06/22/26
...
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
he literally just repeated what i already wrote in the threa...
"civilization" could be here, he thought
  06/22/26
he's more concise i guess idk
whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
Thank you, Computer.
Frutiger Aero
  06/22/26
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Bellevue therapy dog tp
  06/22/26
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whyisthatthere
  06/22/26
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Fair pushback
  06/22/26
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AI has never started a F500 company
  06/22/26
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RUN LIKE HELL
  06/22/26


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Date: June 22nd, 2026 2:48 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

i am not elaborating at this time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955656)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 2:51 PM
Author: Consuela

Oh well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955664)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:01 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

i wrote an essay like 15 years ago about how the real world would increasingly be out-competed by Online matrix worlds as environments for humans to inhabit

i was completely right and i wish i could find that essay again. it's somewhere out there, Online

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955689)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

that's true but my thesis is deeper and structural. It's not just that Online is better, it's that Online has fundamentally altered our ability to inhabit physical reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955721)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:15 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

how so specifically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955724)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:16 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

i am not elaborating at this time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955727)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:17 PM
Author: Consuela

Baudrillard associates each of those distortions of reality with periods of increasing technical sophistication:

Stage one and two: Associated with the premodern period, it’s representation is an artificial placemarker for the real item. The uniqueness of objects and situations marks them as real and signification gropes towards this reality.

Stage three: Associated with the modernity of the Industrial Revolution where distinctions between representation and reality break down due to the proliferation of mass-reproducible copies of items, turning them into commodities. The commodity's ability to imitate reality threatens to replace the authority of the original version, because the copy is just as "real" as its prototype.

Stage four: Associated with the postmodernity of late capitalism where the simulacrum precedes the original and the distinction between reality and representation vanishes. There is only the simulation, and originality becomes a totally meaningless concept.

(Proposed stage five: The simulation reorders underlying reality to act in accordance with it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955728)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:18 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

Baudrillard is a faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955730)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: Consuela

yeah so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955731)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM
Author: product mommy (🧐)

180000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955898)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:40 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

he actually had some decent ideas tbqh imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955900)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:41 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

dudeweed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955906)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:22 PM
Author: gay of hormuz

https://sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content/uploads/sites/226/2015/12/Borges-Tl%C3%B6n-Uqbar-Orbius-Tertius.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955734)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:26 PM
Author: Consuela

ty, so this is where that faggot yarvin came up with "tlon" as his programming language for urbit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955739)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:52 PM
Author: ruinous phenotype

This op reminded of a different Borges story

On Exactitude in Science

Jorge Luis Borges, Collected Fictions, translated by Andrew Hurley.

…In that Empire, the Art of Cartography attained such Perfection that the map of a single Province occupied the entirety of a City, and the map of the Empire, the entirety of a Province. In time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire whose size was that of the Empire, and which coincided point for point with it. The following Generations, who were not so fond of the Study of Cartography as their Forebears had been, saw that that vast Map was Useless, and not without some Pitilessness was it, that they delivered it up to the Inclemencies of Sun and Winters. In the Deserts of the West, still today, there are Tattered Ruins of that Map, inhabited by Animals and Beggars; in all the Land there is no other Relic of the Disciplines of Geography.

—Suarez Miranda,Viajes devarones prudentes, Libro IV,Cap. XLV, Lerida, 1658

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955963)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:02 PM
Author: Richard Ames

My own view is that Stage Five is active, but that not everyone operates within it. Feels like an 80/20 rule (or maybe 90/10) where the majority is basically programmed like a wind-up toy by The Internet and a subset still operate in the Real World. As much as technology dominates, there is still a "handshake" element to a lot of business and major deals.

This probably sounds super Boomer, but you may know what I mean.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955798)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:27 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

doesn't sound like a very deep and structural thesis

i can think of a bunch of reasons off the top of my head though. but they can all be more or less boiled down to artificial online realities out-competing real-reality (the 'why's' are pretty important though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955741)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:29 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

There's not a necessary relationship between "outcompeting reality" and "fundamentally altering man's relationship with reality."

My thesis is therefore deeper and more structural than your weak, non-load-bearing one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955742)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:35 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

the latter is a 'why' contributor to the former imho

among other things, The Matrix(es) becoming preferable to irl for humans has been a self-fulfilling prophecy in no small part due to the matrix warping the real world. it's a feedback loop that has been and is continuing to intensify

you can't improve irl in order to try to out-compete the matrix fair and square. irl will just be adjusted accordingly by the matrix in response. the feedback loop has to be destroyed, which means that the matrix itself has to be destroyed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955755)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:57 PM
Author: gay of hormuz

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300078152/seeing-like-a-state/

I look forward to your 2028 magnum opus "Seeing Like A Computer"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955783)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:39 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

hmmmm. maybe you should. it concerns me that so few others are able or willing to See as The Machine sees

just another abyss that people love to pontificate and joke about but won't actually look into

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955895)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:17 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

Ok thank you for elaborating.

Tankh,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955841)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:15 PM
Author: AI has never started a F500 company

living irl sometimes is actually fun and crrrr imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955725)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:18 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

"see you there"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955729)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: AI has never started a F500 company

if I inhabited it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955732)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:22 PM
Author: whyisthatthere



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955735)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 3:33 PM
Author: gay of hormuz



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955752)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:21 PM
Author: Fair pushback

This is why I tell my wife when she nags me for my screen time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955845)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:45 PM
Author: OYT and the Indie Reprieve ( )

if "reality" didn't suck this would have never happened. that's what all these brands of societal complaints and fist-waving don't want to admit. we got here BECAUSE reality is dreadful and depressing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955918)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:46 PM
Author: whyisthatthere



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955926)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:47 PM
Author: "civilization" could be here, he thought

he literally just repeated what i already wrote in the thread and you blank bumped him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955936)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM
Author: whyisthatthere

he's more concise i guess idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955947)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:46 PM
Author: Frutiger Aero

Thank you, Computer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955930)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM
Author: Bellevue therapy dog tp



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955948)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:49 PM
Author: whyisthatthere



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955950)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:50 PM
Author: Fair pushback



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955952)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 4:53 PM
Author: AI has never started a F500 company



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49955967)



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Date: June 22nd, 2026 7:01 PM
Author: RUN LIKE HELL



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876487&forum_id=2most#49956444)