Epah here. Yes it’s fucking flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909299)

But they prob will still use it to cut employment in like back office functions and programming. So it may work for that until someone gets furked cutting too much and realizes they still need at least some ppl who arent in chennai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909326)

moniker: need tokens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909321)

I'm Richard Ames.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909337)

JMAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909338)

wtf alternate universe is this thread taking place in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909351)

“ If by “college graduates” you mean people with a bachelor’s degree or higher, the most recent U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data show an unemployment rate of 2.8% in April 2026 for adults age 25 and older with at least a bachelor’s degree.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909502)

Bachelor's Degree Holders: 15.6%

Advanced Degree Holders: 13.8%

https://www.lisep.org/tru (April numbers)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909511)

This would include 100% of the homeless people in your city. That’s a pretty dumb way to measure “unemployment” IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909571)

"True Rate of Unemployment tracks the percentage of the U.S. labor force that does not have a full-time job (35+ hours a week) but wants one, has no job, or does not earn a living wage, conservatively pegged at $26,000 (in 2025 dollars) annually before taxes."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909575)

is this really EPAH? did you suffer a brain injury?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909595)

i mean going off "stats" for this kind of thing is just silly. i'm not even Mr. Social or anything but i talk to enough people in my family/professional/social circles to have an accurate enough grasp of present-day society to know that "6% unemployment for college grads" is just completely ludicrous and would get you laughed out of the room if you told that to somebody irl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909582)

i'm pretty sure the illegal spics who show up as day labor at job sites around here are pulling over 26k a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909597)

Are you implying this is unreasonable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909951)

It's definitely powerful and has some uses. But, it's also egregiously bad in some ways. Like making things up or making fundamental, foundational errors. It also often fails to grasp the big picture and everything that flows from that. And it's hard to see a path to it doing tasks beyond rote ones, like which details to accept, which to reject, and which to rework in a counter offer.

Also, the AI company valuations are ludicrous in relation to actual or reasonably likely potential earnings. At $1T, Anthropic would be about the 15th highest market cap public company in the world. But there is no reason competitors can't and won't use Anthropic's blueprint to steal their customers, if they ever figure out how to make money in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909497)

ai of course is insanely useful in capable hands (i.e., feeding it proper prompts and context) and if it's not valuable for you you might be a midwit and you dont really matter anyway. if you're exploring a novel issue and you can't find a way to make ai useful for you then i hope you're a woman cuz god help you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909517)

btw i understand that you're defining "flame" in a very specific way here but anyone still asking whether ai is flame more generally is just very divorced from the tech world and a lot of stuff in the corporate world. pharma, so many fields. it has changed a lot of stuff already.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909527)

LOL at every AI huckster ITT showing up to bu-bu-but the fucking simple, publicly available metric of college UE--the point of which is not objective/absolute accuracy but relative movement.

You fucking fraud morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49911568)

I think people think like oh it's a game changer, where is my flying car. That's like saying if you got darpanet in the 80s asking where's my Uber ride? Is it coming tomorrow? Next year? No. It will be a long slow on ramp. But suddenly the years will go by and stuff will crop up. And stuff will be better than people thought it was going to be.

I think of it like the internet for the internet. It's a tool that makes tools more tooly. It's not going to give you a blow job but in 20 years everything will change and be different and it will mostly be good. Humans will adapt. A lot of people will make a shitload of money. Even more people will still be poor.

FIN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909586)

stopped reading

yes it will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909797)

Lex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909610)

I predict that the world is going to get way more dystopian and desperate over the next few decades.

TMF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909611)

345 tp, aka, Dr Michael Greger, aka ohnoes, aka 🧐 and many more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909746)

This is one of the arguments for UBI too: When freed from the need to work for sustenance, people will be free to make art and engage their communities. (For many of us, this means poasting, btw.) In reality, people will probably just scroll and watch Netflix and order deliver slop.

See also: https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4186461&mc=99&forum_id=2#37661389

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909956)

in reality I'm not that optimistic for the public sector returning to its glory days (I think the best we're going to do is AI just straight up reduces the amount of people it requires), but I think the "you're either an Engineer or Salesman, Champ" restructuring in corporations is a pretty realistic path. you're already seeing it in companies using AI as an excuse to cut layers of nonsense managers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49911255)

This is such a kikey condition that ensures you cannot lose. If AI does displace a lot of jobs the cascading effect of that would almost surely lead to a general economic downturn. AI is only "fucking flame" if it leads to massive job displacement but that doesn't count if that massive job displacement causes some general economic downturn, which is what would surely happen?

Under your kikey conditions the answer can only be "fucking flame". Ignoring that, the answer is easily "not flame." AI is like the early internet era. I think it'll be much more important than all the AI skeptics think and less important than the techno futurists think. But anyone who has used AI for just about anything knows it's not "fucking flame."

Bowtie Nigga tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909967)

Fun side fact: Lehman Bros.' peak market cap was $80B. Antrhopic's market cap today is $1T.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909988)

I'm just saying that the economy is a Gordian Knot that's impossible to dissect. IF a downturn happens something will trigger the collapse, but the trigger isn't the collapse; the collapse is how the house of cards was built.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49909994)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CGBD25O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910090)

I take no position on what the "real" unemployment rate is. As discussed ad nauseum ITT it's a hard number to pin down. However, like Goy Superstar I live in this world and have anecdotally heard many grads complaining about not being able to find a job, so that number wouldn't surprise me and if I had to guess I'd bet it's accurate.

edit: Oh I misunderstood you, I see now you're proposing an alternative condition.

No, I don't think any unemployment condition is worthwhile. First of all, if society worked properly, AI being legit and obviated a ton of labor we'd wind up in the 20 hr work week Kenyes predicted. If AI is *SUPER* not flame something like this would have to happen or we'd have masses of people that can't provide for themselves. Second, idk how anyone who lived through ITE and LOLSCHOOLS boosting employment numbers by hiring them to work in the library for a semester still has much faith in them.

It would be like saying mechanized farming was "fucking flame" because farmer unemployment isn't skyrocketing. If AI is legit and jobs it can do are obviated those people will have to do something else or some sort of welfare system will have to be created.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910096)

Interesting statement. The world's smartest businessperson predicts that AI implementation will result in double-digit GDP growth by June 2027: https://www.moomoo.com/news/post/63284418/musk-predicts-double-digit-growth-for-the-us-economy-within?level=1&data_ticket=1780373000121424

GDP growth of 10+% =/= general economic downturn FYI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910828)

The UE rate below (UE for college grads 25 and over) touched 5.9% after the '08-09 recession and spiked during covid but has generally been very low. It's 2.8% now.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CGBD25O

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910098)

Comparable to the microwave. Most people only use it to reheat leftovers or make popcorn, but it's capable of a lot more.

It's a game changer in healthcare from correcting deafness to helping people walk again and I don't doubt it's just the tip of the iceberg. Future generations are going to be screened by AI from birth, which will help you plan your health and fitness to a fine science.

It's also going to majorly transform our defense industries and how we wage wars and stealth diplomacy.

Every industry is incorporating AI in multiple forms and capacity. Some will deliver more benefits. Some is just to keep competitive with no real net gains. But overall there will be greater efficiency and productivity, which will generate further opportunities.

AI will also (I hope) tone down the bitter cultural divides when people ask AI questions on history and culture and current events. The safetyism in AI has been criticized but so far it's been evenhanded, nudging both extremes towards a more moderate middle, that, frankly, has impressed me with its pragmatism.

On a personal level, using AI makes me smarter. I talk to AI all time time, asking questions about everything from little DIY to historical debates to managing people at work and how to handle family matters. But it is contingent on understanding how to use AI. Gut instinct tells me AI will make the top 10% wealthier and introduce a sharper divide between the top 10% and the next cohort. It will be neutral for the 20-40% bracket, and will make the bottom 60% fall further behind. If you want to stay in the top 10%, you need to figure out how to make AI relevant in your life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910102)

I think it’s just another tech advancement, like desktop, internet, notebook computers, email, mobile. It will fundamentally change things particularly in white collar world. My firm (V50) is already hiring less. I’m personally using junior associates way fucking less because AI does the same work faster and for free.

But we’re not all moving to UBI or whatever technonerds think. AI absolutely needs someone trained and with judgment to interpret and filter what it spits out.

EPAH’s and others’ flame responses are likely from dealing with clients, etc. sending AI slop or small personal dalliances in it. Garbage in, garbage out. With careful prompting, it gives you at least junior/mid-level associate work product in minutes, which is amazing. Stupid to think that it won’t get better because it has, remarkably, in just a few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910169)

This is former poaster, Candy Ride.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49910513)

It's basically a distilled Google search [or any other database], and that can be useful sometimes. But that doesn't make it "intelligent" on its own--it still needs humans to advance/create the knowledge it depends on. And the output it currently spits out can barely contextualize anything.

Unfortunately, while it's flame, it will empower billions of clueless people to "feel" and "act" more intelligent than they really are, and that includes corporate CEOs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5870330&forum_id=2most#49911481)