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anyone else here read BAP's book?
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:05 PM Author: ebony home like 80%+ of it is useless words, but the fundamental theses are good and cr
for me, the most meaningful point was that not only are the philosopher and tyrant of the same type, but actually the tyrant is the full self-actualization of the philosopher. behind every true philosopher is a potential tyrant
it has always bothered me that the term "philosopher" is used so loosely. there's only one true philosopher qua philosopher: the man who seeks truth so that he can use it as a weapon and a tool for his own gain, until he ultimately epitomizes and personifies 'truth' as a tyrant via his mastery of himself and the world around him
instead we refer to every random circle-jerking dork as a "philosopher" when none of these guys are actually searching for truth, they're just turbo-coping losers who tell comforting, rationalized lies to themselves and others in order to feel better about themselves
the breeding as prerequisite for man's understanding of nature thesis was also cr and interesting. i think he's correct about that too. and i think he's correct about the extreme important of recognizing this reality in our particular time and place |
Date: October 16th, 2023 1:09 PM Author: big dull locus it's fine. political philosophy is a solved discipline imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942105) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:21 PM Author: ebony home maybe. i'm not so sure about that
it's true in the sense that we can say that "existential conflict between humans is real and all that matters" and then declare "philosophy" beyond that as superfluous. but there are still unanswered questions about who is friend and enemy and what we want to become and work towards in the future, and what it will take to get there |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:15 PM Author: spectacular plum voyeur field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942133) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:24 PM Author: mustard wagecucks stag film Demonstrating that people have been misreading Pindar forever is a genuine accomplishment, his readers at Yale all criticized the philosophy part of the thesis because he didn't engage with Strauss's critique of nietzschean historicism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942170) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:26 PM Author: ebony home he added an extra section at the end to address the lack of engagement with strauss's critique of nietzschean historicism. it was the only part of the book i didn't fully read through because it was so obviously silly and irrelevant to anything that matters
it really drove home my thoughts in the OP about how so-called "philosophers" are anything but |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:27 PM Author: mustard wagecucks stag film How is it irrelevant? hasn't he been posting "yes, but" about hamas doing bronze age stuff in Israel? seems like he has fallen right in that trap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942186) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:38 PM Author: ebony home i don't see how that's relevant or connected. he just has personal biases about this particular thing (hamas, israel, jews, etc), and also his entire personal and professional network is jewish, so he's pretty boxed in on what he can publicly say, now that his identity is fully outed
i don't think it makes sense to try to integrate these personal biases of his into his impersonal theses |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:39 PM Author: mustard wagecucks stag film lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942234) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:25 PM Author: turquoise well-lubricated patrolman how is this any different from a standard addy-fueled xo screed where some reasonably smart person just uses a bunch of words to distract from the fact that he's ultimately ranting about some non-falsifiable hypothesis presenting his hot take as some grand theory of how "the world works" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942174) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:28 PM Author: stimulating gaming laptop space I tried reading it but it felt far inferior to the actual Nietzsche and has a lot of stuff I thought was silly so I stopped. His shtick is much better suited for Twitter shitposting. I know my name is a riff of his but that's a joke, it's not because I'm a huge fan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942188) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 1:54 PM Author: spectacular plum voyeur field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942323) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:16 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard I havn't read the book nor do i plan to, as I find BAP both disingenuous, annoying and grating. these are impressions made on me immediately when I first saw his twitter stuff back in the day, in-your-face level obvious. ricky feels the same way I think
"there's only one true philosopher qua philosopher: the man who seeks truth so that he can use it as a weapon and a tool for his own gain, until he ultimately epitomizes and personifies 'truth' as a tyrant via his mastery of himself and the world around him"
i don't agree that truth is only about using it for one's own gain. there is an aspect of that, but another aspect is about understanding the world for its own sake.
i'm not trying to be antagonistic, but your fascination with this interpretation and approach may be because you have tendencies toward tyranny while also self-stylizing as a philosopher. shrug |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:29 PM Author: ebony home every actual philosopher is a would-be tyrant, and we will all readily admit this in private. the point of (and drive behind) discovering and understanding truth is to be able to act upon that understanding, not the act of discovery itself
i have BAP's twitter blocked, he's an awful poaster. legitimately just bad at poasting. i'm guessing he became popular via group chats and social networking because he's clearly a smart guy with good ideas, just a bad poaster |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:46 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard this goes back to one of my main issues with you: you see things as you are simply right, others are simply wrong, that's all there is. very black and white. that's fine if you like this approach - and you've shown little inclination to change it over the years - but i think you do a disservice to yourself by constantly hand-waving away positions that you just disagree with without studying the implications of those alternative positions. this dramatically weakens your arguments, imo.
"every actual philosopher is a would-be tyrant". was schopenhauer a "would-be tyrant"? he advocated withdrawal from the world and promoted the ascetic ideal, like a proto-buddhist. or was he not an "actual philosopher" in your mind?
or maybe he's a "would-be tyrant" because he pushed a woman down some stairs one time?
a better approach is to incorporate other ideas into your arguments and address them even if you don't ultimately agree with them, imo |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:07 PM Author: ebony home i change my views on things all the time, more than 99%+ of people in fact. what i'm actually guilty of is being mean and dismissive toward other people's wrong or dumb opinions, which is what you actually don't like about me
when a person is interested in knowing the truth - the actual truth - people who pretend to be interested in knowing the truth, but are not (or who Cannot due to their intrinsic nature), are very annoying and get in the way. you can't help but feel contempt toward these people. having to wade through 1000s of these guys for every one actual Philosopher is tiresome and obnoxious
keep in mind that Philosopher as i use it does not refer to how this term is used in present-day context, which is something like "circle jerking pseudo-intellectual Humanities Guy," but rather to what the term originally referred to: someone who is interested in truth about the natural world, which encompasses the empirical in addition to the rational |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:10 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard what have you changed your mind on lately?
no, I don't care about "meanness", lol. I poast on XO. spandrell is a writer, for example, that I will read even though I don't like him personally and I think he's a huge asshole and very off-putting interpersonally. but at least he covers the ground for making a well-rounded argument.
was schopenhauer a "circle jerking pseudo-intellectual Humanities Guy"? |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:19 PM Author: ebony home schopenhauer had some good ideas. but the notion that he actually advocated for an ascetic existence, or that he was a nihilist or pessimist, etc is just wrong. he didn't believe that nonsense and he certainly didn't live his own life based on any of those attitudes
in general, what is commonly thought of in the present day as "philosophy" is mostly useless circle-jerking (metaphysics, ethics, etc). these things are simply not useful or relevant to human life and human flourishing, and actual Philosophers ignore them for a reason |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard schopenhauer is widely known for philosophical pessimism, lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_pessimism#Main_arguments
Now, I've heard arguments that he didn't abide by his own writings, that he hosted parties and lived it up with young chicks and such, and I have a biography of him ready to read. So we'll see if there was a contradiction between his words and deeds. |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:37 PM Author: ebony home the recognition that suffering being a fundamental and necessary part of life, that death is inevitable, etc isn't "pessimism" nor does it follow from these premises that "life is not worth living," "the bad prevails over the good," "non-existence > existence," etc. no smart person believes this, including schopenhauer. it's just not true that he believed it, sorry, and that's why he lived a full and normal life just like every other person who comes to understand that suffering is a part of life and we are all mortal and die. it's all just pseudo-intellectual loser cope garbage
this stuff is just stupid, dude. if you really think that life is evil and pointless, then kill yourself. you won't, because you don't actually think that (no one does), and you're just circle-jerking about it like everyone else who is a loser and wants to sit around moping about it to cope and feel "superior" to normal people who live normal lives |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:42 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard you're attempting to pidgenhole one particular, narrow interpretation of philosophical pessimism into something which is much broader than you allege, and it doesn't follow that to appreciate this broad form that one should kill themselves. i'll do a post on it at some point in the not too distant future. but this goes back to my original point about the stylistic form of argument you make as doing a disservice to yourself. shrug, oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942852) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: salmon corner hes a retarded jewish neocon and a homosexual who rhetorically pirouettes around Nietzsche for 200,000 words to justify being a gay jew while calling for aryan herrenvolk fourth reich (bombing Iran for Knesset) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942543) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Histrionic Center Gay Wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942547) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:40 PM Author: jet-lagged bipolar range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942603) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:31 PM Author: Wine Electric Round Eye he's a kike plant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942554) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:34 PM Author: salmon corner Im like 70% sure hes also bankrolled by zionists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942566) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:37 PM Author: ebony home he absolutely is, no doubt. i don't think he has had a real job in his entire adult life. just gets monopoly money funneled to him from rich jews
his philosophical ideas are cr, though. just ignore everything he says about political specifics, because they're always gonna be kosher garbage |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:41 PM Author: mustard wagecucks stag film His philosophy is 180 as long as you don't use it for anything! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942609) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:42 PM Author: salmon corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942612) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:43 PM Author: salmon corner He seems to be there just to capture any nascent energy online Incredible really, openly jewish & gay, but goyim are so fucking dumb theyre just looking for another master, never thinking for themselves, some even became zionists to cope |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 5:10 PM Author: out-of-control stage there's nothing to bankroll, nothing he does is expensive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46943277) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 2:50 PM Author: Glassy Flickering Menage Corn Cake Yep. I've read everything he's written and bought copies for my friends at work. I don't get some of the hate itt. BAP is a nice guy and genuinely intelligent. One of the more successful people to poast here if we're being honest. And his new gf is hot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942652) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:10 PM Author: ebony home dasha is not attractive imo but yeah cr. good for him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942750) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:24 PM Author: multi-colored den Seems pretty 180 to date a famous actress imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942785) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:25 PM Author: mustard wagecucks stag film they're exchanging bloodborne diseases
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:10 PM Author: jet turdskin half-breed i defended him for years on xo bc I thought BAM was a good book
he has proven every critic right however. he shills atheism (explicitly, with that word) for christians, and some jerkoff fantasy of zoroastrian judaism for future jews
christianity is ripe for criticism, but someone championing judaism is 100% acting in total bad faith |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:27 PM Author: ebony home yeah this thread is a good reminder that nobody under ~135 IQ is capable of separating an individual's discrete abstract ideas from their person
who cares what this guy thinks about zionism or jews or his gay twitter posting. i only care about his ideas and whether or not they are true and useful to me. we could collectively execute this guy as a Jewish Traitor™ today and i'd still be interested in his ideas to the extent that they are true and useful |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:49 PM Author: jet turdskin half-breed his person? I said something about his person, like his nose or a personal trait like how he treats his mom?
I wrote that his IDEAS are based in pushing christians specifically towards atheism, and jews towards some shit he wrote about Judaic-Hindu-whatever.
and those ideas invalidate his *other* ideas about reforming christianity |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 3:24 PM Author: Black sanctuary yes he's one of those who is heavily influenced by an unconscious christianity, so much so that he misinterprets Nietzsche's project as anti-Christian, and then pretends to pull a secularized-christian rabbit out of the atheistic nietzsche hat, which is false on its premises. he's not actually engaged in Christian redemption because he doesn't understand his own christian identity. the part about greek narcissism/philosophical eugenics is interesting but everyone knows they are pagan and overcome by the revelation of Christ, so this isn't quite as profound or important as he thinks it is. because of this it is ultimately limited to being a text of critique and not the work of substantive crypto-Christian apologetics he thinks it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46942786) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 5:21 PM Author: ebony home have you ever actually been inside a physical church before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46943344) |
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Date: October 16th, 2023 5:23 PM Author: Black sanctuary Sorry this was over your head friend. read it a few times to understand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#46943358) |
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Date: March 21st, 2026 7:45 PM Author: Professor Jiang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5428710&forum_id=2most#49760214) |