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A feudal kang couldn't pay u with money because u couldn't buy anything
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:04 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK any money still left in France after the Vikings left was being used by the locals to make jewelry. There were no "stores" or "salesmen" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49421904) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:08 PM Author: samoth Medieval serfs used coins all the time.
Only the denar/penny existed for around five hundred years, but it had real buying power back then. |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:11 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK As an illustration of how heavy a burden the Danegeld was, more Anglo-Saxon pennies from the decades around the first millennium have been found in Denmark than in England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(English_coin) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:16 PM Author: samoth You're arguing that Europe's silver mines were completely exhausted right before the vikings came knocking?
Also, plate was much more a store of wealth back then than coins or jewelry. |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:20 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK No one had access to gold until the florin was struck in large volumes in the 15th century. IDK what English sops were doing but France had no money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49421954) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:39 PM Author: samoth Feudal French coinage is exceedingly common and reasonably well priced. I recommend this area to anyone interested in delving into medieval European coinage.
France was generally wealthier than England until Valois Burgundy made them both look like poors.
Gold was mostly used in large transactions by merchants or court officials; townspeople wouldn't see it. It started taking off in Italy in the 1300s and the type/fineness spread across Europe. However, proles typically used larger silver coinage in transactions -- gross/groat/croat/groschen/&c. and later the taler, its multiple, & its fractions. (There were periods of really bad inflation back then. The penny started losing buying power in the 1400s due to this and massive debasements/recoinages that enriched the rulers. I guess some things never change.) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:41 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK just do skip to the 1300s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422013) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:46 PM Author: samoth To be fair, we somehow skipped over 600 years pretty quickly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422029) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:56 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK My interest in European history fades around the time the Defensor Pacis get circulated. I'm talking about 10th, 11th and 12th centuries when feudalism really set in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422051) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:07 PM Author: samoth Way before my time. I specialize in late 15th century.
I don't know of any bullion famines from your era, but I don't know many specifics regarding monetary policy in the high middle ages... but French feudal coinage from that era is quite common; England didn't really up their output until Edward I in the mid-13th c., which went into the hundreds of millions of coins.
Philip Grierson is the primary scholar for medieval numismatics, with Medieval European Coinage Vol. I covering your timeframe. Peter Spufford's Money and its Use in Medieval Europe is a great read on the topic if you like academic density. |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:10 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK I'm still nursing on this
https://i.imgur.com/iRhjPpP.png |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:21 PM Author: theroyalserf plate armor or diner plate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49421957) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: samoth The latter. Rulers had the equivalent of many millions of dollars in plate, and townspeople also used it as a store of value. It was usable, sturdy, and readily convertible -- the only thing that mattered back then was the silver (or gold) content and fineness. A silver plate was worth its weight in silver pennies, and could easily be sold to the local mintmaster who would turn it into coins (for a fee, of course).
Edit: Plate is a general term that includes any eating/drinking wares, not just, like, round dinner plates. |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:32 PM Author: theroyalserf I would always steal the expensive plate from the census office at the start of Morrowind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422259) |
Date: November 11th, 2025 9:58 PM Author: man o' war (🫶🏾) what were the joos doing then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422054) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:02 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK in feudal times they were prole laborers, like in Egypt and Rome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422061) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:09 PM Author: samoth They tended towards banking & moneychanging in the late middle ages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5796496&forum_id=2most#49422079) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:03 PM Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK What a demonetized economy looks like
https://i.imgur.com/taTFp47.png |