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Question about European feudalism.
| Curious bat-shit-crazy heaven immigrant | 06/14/13 |
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: Curious bat-shit-crazy heaven immigrant Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: big party of the first part just walk outside bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: big party of the first part (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969813) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985020) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997575) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49064860) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49070377) |
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49077411) |
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49084518) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098591) |
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49101058) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49105012) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49117359) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49128622) |
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49141968) |
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49143857) |
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49156580) |
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49172980) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421817) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421862) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421881) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49422254) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49424474) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49425035) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49425543) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49427654) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49436681) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49436785) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49439167) |
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49441985) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49454945) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49455274) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49457596) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49458108) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49461550) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49463581) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49464738) |
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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49466319) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49467160) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49478445) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49484240) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49484832) |
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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49492316) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49493000) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49495268) |
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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49497250) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49500993) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49515504) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49518561) |
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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49529071) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49532458) |
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Date: December 24th, 2025 12:00 AM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49536032) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49545634) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49545665) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49548639) |
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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:56 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49562700) |
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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49567730) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49584404) |
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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49589879) |
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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49604959) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49838395) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49838453) |
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Date: May 13th, 2026 7:20 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49884309) |
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Date: May 19th, 2026 8:56 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49890852) |
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Date: May 21st, 2026 5:25 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49893306) |
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Date: May 25th, 2026 6:16 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49900593) |
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Date: May 26th, 2026 8:51 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49903004) |
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Date: May 28th, 2026 5:55 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49905466) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2026 5:16 PM Author: big party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49913565) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: Racy roommate Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: flesh kitchen Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: Racy roommate (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: flesh kitchen They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Racy roommate read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: rusted temple Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: Flatulent area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Translucent passionate garrison twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Trip sandwich what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: Chest-beating Voyeur Fanboi cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: Ultramarine Stubborn Messiness Crackhouse I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: rusted temple teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: balding digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: Citrine Roast Beef Locale i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: fighting death wish Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: Bull headed glittery library really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle effete wrinkle plaza It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Erotic Bawdyhouse Mad Cow Disease it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle effete wrinkle plaza Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: Bull headed glittery library actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Frisky mother 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Frisky mother "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49838410) |