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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Plum insane locale
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
Hot ruddy pervert school cafeteria
  05/29/25
(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Plum insane locale

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: henna supple stage idiot

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: red mexican

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: henna supple stage idiot

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: red mexican

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: henna supple stage idiot

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: sienna pozpig

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: sickened corner

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: histrionic unholy abode electric furnace

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: ruby location

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: sienna pozpig

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: massive appetizing bawdyhouse place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Territorial locus dog poop

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: laughsome fuchsia internal respiration

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: aromatic crackhouse

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: green wonderful new version antidepressant drug

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: vigorous metal hell cuckoldry

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: green wonderful new version antidepressant drug

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: aromatic crackhouse

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: lemon hissy fit

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: lemon hissy fit

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49838410)