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Serious question: why does the foreign policy establishment love war?
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: big foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009033) |
Date: April 6th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Stimulating bronze crotch church Bad guys need killing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009040) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: drunken clear macaca you don't get money for war and defense without active, palpable military engagements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009043) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: bearded cocky circlehead tcr. War also breeds support for the government among proles, and serves as a distraction. Ex-government types often go into MIC jobs, so this basically ensures that those will be there when they're out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009054) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
–James Madison, Political Observations, Apr. 20, 1795 in: Letters and Other Writings of James Madison, vol. 4, p. 491 (1865) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:48 AM Author: splenetic plaza GOD that statement is 180 as fuck
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:08 PM Author: marvelous hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33017326) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: Electric Locus Roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33027167) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: big foreskin So it's just a naked ploy for money by defense contractors and their boosters? I can see that's a contributor, but I kinda doubt that applies to most members of the foreign policy blob.
Most of these people are career bureaucrats and diplomats. What do they gain by having a rabid compulsion to go to war? |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:46 PM Author: drunken clear macaca jobs as war under under sec etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009340) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:25 PM Author: marvelous hell It's the combination - financial incentives, career incentives, makes their jobs / areas of expertise more important and more relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33017462) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Why do hammers like nails? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009045) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:46 PM Author: Exhilarant pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009334) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Flirting property I wonder if there are economic interests involved hmmmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009065) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Slate lettuce home Can you imagine being Secretary of State and never getting to negotiate trade deals or see foreign heads of state?
What about being Secretary of Education and being unable to meddle with education standards or college loans?
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Kush has Canada, China, and Mexico diplomacy covered believe me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009083) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: big foreskin Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009093) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Drab depressive stead there is a Secretary of War? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009095) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Boyish underhanded old irish cottage crackhouse defense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009116) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Lovely that elites went full doublespeak on that name change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009127) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: soggy sable mental disorder Sclerotic old faggots who want to feel 'important', have no other outlet; also money. When ppl have prestige/ego tied up in some function, they want to exercise that function. Same reason cops love to shoot their little tazars/guns at anything that moves. The gross hypocrisy is that they never put themselves in harm's way. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Spruce Soul-stirring Church Building Cr cops = SHIT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009112) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: big foreskin This seems right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009136) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: chest-beating forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014041) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:46 PM Author: Exhilarant pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009335) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Boyish underhanded old irish cottage crackhouse (guy who rushes 6 gates and then sits on his ass outside opponent's base) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009109) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Thriller Crystalline Field Dragon it's a class interest. how else would they justify their jobs if we didn't NEED TO ACT every time an anti-American Shitholistan causes problems by dropping bombs on some very cute kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009114) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: sooty locale a lot of the kristol-style neocons are of a certain age - their education/early careers were in the 70's, while their initial rise to prominence came under reagan. and this is where their views crystallized - it is always 1981, and america's enemies are always some species of USSR.
it's important to understand that they have basically NO CONCEPTION of what the US looks like or its social mood or its demographic composition today - they aren't concerned with that. they want to implement their grand strategies at any cost.
it's also important to understand that these people DO NOT see the 2003 iraq war as a failure. they see it as a stage within a larger war. syria is another stage; iran will be another. perhaps lebanon if the IDF gets tangled up in there again.
they also belong, for the most part, to the "money is fake bullshit numbers in computers" school of economics, which is why they feel no compunction about spending trillions on these grand projects. and to the extent that money is more than that, they are willing to gut domestic spending to keep their plans financed.
basically, they don't care about "america" per se; they mostly just want to use it like a cumrag, and they become very agitated and upset when their cumrag tries to protest its usage. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:27 PM Author: Slate lettuce home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009170) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:27 PM Author: big foreskin 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009171) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: provocative point marketing idea lol'd pretty hard by the last sentence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009176) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: sooty locale it's a serious problem, though - there are a lot of very foolish or naive non-neocons who have been propagandized or convinced into believing that being a cumrag is an honorable and important duty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009218) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:35 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Rubio is young though what is his excuse? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009233) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:36 PM Author: Slate lettuce home Rubio is just the towel-boy. He uses America as a cum rag on behalf of his neo-con overlords. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009249) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: sooty locale politicians like him are usually just bought. it's not that expensive to buy an american politician. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009256) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: Burgundy garrison Just do Raytheon lobbyist bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009306) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:53 PM Author: big foreskin By, someone like, say, Norman Braman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009391) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:35 PM Author: provocative point marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009235) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:31 PM Author: soggy sable mental disorder highly Cr. Geopolitically, it is perpetually 1981 Demographically, their schema is perpetually c. 1964 ("WE CAN CONTINUALLY 'ASSIMILATE' A MASSIVE ALIEN THIRD-WORLD POPULATION INTO A SOON-TO-BECOME <45% WHITE AMERICA!") Boomer brain fag. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: provocative point marketing idea fuck these diaperfaggots and everything they stand for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009217) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:36 PM Author: sooty locale they are exceedingly cynical. i will bet you that when trump won, despite their misgivings, they were very excited about the possibilities for getting white people/trump voters back on-board with foreign wars, which they had been more reluctant to support under obama.
i don't think it's going to work like that THIS time, due to simple exhaustion and a demand for domestic reforms rather than yet more foreign adventuring, but the neocons are not concerned with that - to them, that's trump's problem, and they will gleefully sacrifice him and move on to the next target if their programs expend all his political capital. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Galvanic stock car corner And that's precisely why Trump is such a fucking moron.
He's getting played like a fool and it's obvious to the outside world but not him. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:44 PM Author: sooty locale it's one of the very basic lessons that any observer should be able to take from a quick glance at bush's demise - the neocons view everyone around them as tools or potential tools. if you're not a tool, you're an enemy.
but if you ARE a tool, they will abuse you until you break, and then they will yell at you for breaking. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:54 PM Author: big foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009397) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:44 PM Author: soggy sable mental disorder Yes. I honestly hope the angry Trumpists/dissidents -- whose support of Trump marked a revolt against this neocon nonsense -- now turn and violently revolt against Trump himself. More and more, I'm seeing Trump an abortive 'dry run', leading to the coming of the TRUE Nationalist messiah. The sooner we get ABSOLUTE CLARITY on this issue, the better. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Galvanic stock car corner If Trump actually gets us into a war with Syria, I hope he gets primaried.
I'd still vote for him over the Democrat, but I won't want to vote for this imbecile. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:49 PM Author: sooty locale if trump is legitimately dumb/manipulable enough to start enacting neocon plans, then there's not a lot of hope for him, since those plans are so abjectly adverse to america's national priorities/well-being that there is simply no reason they should even be under consideration.
if - we still have to see what actually happens. |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:28 AM Author: yellow ticket booth finally, an actually articulate and thoughtful political poast.
i like you. |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:34 AM Author: Magical chocolate kitchen mood petro killing it again, 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014043) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:45 AM Author: Sinister shrine 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014132) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:46 AM Author: copper stirring gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014142) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:57 AM Author: White mischievous orchestra pit toaster 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014245) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:10 PM Author: marvelous hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33017341) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 7:11 PM Author: yellow ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33027162) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: Mahogany halford tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33027166) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: Plum partner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33027234) |
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Date: April 21st, 2017 2:13 PM Author: yellow ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33127984) |
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Date: May 4th, 2017 12:47 AM Author: yellow ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33226667) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 6:44 PM Author: '"''"'''" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#49801701) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: talking aphrodisiac wrinkle gunner Read 'The Shadows of Power' & 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009180) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:50 PM Author: godawful mind-boggling travel guidebook Entropy principle- in order for there to be domestic order international chaos is the policy- goes for any country, man, woman or child. Where there is a hurricane implies calm on another part of the earth. Hairy ball theorem yw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009369) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 4:52 PM Author: Burgundy garrison We've always been at war with Eastasia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33009378) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 5:07 PM Author: silver pea-brained multi-billionaire From the greed side, it's the MIC.
This thread has ignored the international political power motivation. There is a constant positioning for hegemony among the great powers. Bros like Cheney weren't pushing to overthrow Saddam to help Halliburton's stock price. They were doing it because they thought it was a crucial piece of long-term strategic US power to have a US-friendly oil rich regime in that part of the world and eliminate one who might otherwise eventually ally with Russia or China.
It's why diplomats give two shits about a shithold like Syria ... If the US walks away, we cede control to Russia of a country with a shitload of strategic value (borders with Turkey, Iraq, and Israel, access to Mediterranean, oil, etc) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: irradiated laser beams they like to play. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014004) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: Appetizing Market Prole it's fun to do bad things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014077) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:34 AM Author: diverse low-t brethren because THE FIRE RISES (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014044) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: Curious Rehab Antidepressant Drug it's so cute when you guys try to distill a topic with so many layers into a nice, neat sentence or two. i mean sure we can blame it on neocons. but has every American administration been a neocon one? no. and yet we've continually been engaged in conflicts all over the world since our country's inception. btw, how do you think we became the wealthiest nation in the world? bootstraps? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014066) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:47 AM Author: buck-toothed theater stage tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014144) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 10:49 PM Author: shivering university weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33022492) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:47 AM Author: purple adulterous school telephone I honestly think it's because of how the subject is discussed academically. Every piece of shit INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS major I know is either a right wing hawk or a left wing hawk who is a sneaky piece of shit about it. Also, all of these people believe democracy is flawed and milquetoast UMC jerkoffs should be the only people allowed to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33014145) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:50 AM Author: Iridescent degenerate masturbator "Also, all of these people believe democracy is flawed and we should be ruled by Asian Jews."
try asking them if we should have IQ requirements to vote. |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 5:18 AM Author: razzle-dazzle son of senegal pit Have you seen how much money we spend on our military? You think we're gonna have the nicest, shiniest, baddest motherfuckin military the world has ever seen, one big enough to fight wars on multiple fronts, a military that is so big and bad that it could hold its own against the militaries of every other country, friend and foe, at the same time. You think we're not gonna make use of that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33015146) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 6:20 AM Author: Razzle Reading Party School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33015227) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Jade toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33016806) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: Well-lubricated feces nobody loves war. neocons believe wars are often necessary to serve the greater good in various ways |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 12:28 PM Author: filthy pungent site chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33017484) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 3:22 PM Author: Curious Rehab Antidepressant Drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33019016) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Charismatic therapy cuckoldry "Doing something" is always seen as better than "doing nothing" and doing something = war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33022506) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 7:25 PM Author: Hairraiser Maroon Blood Rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575645&forum_id=2most#33027208) |