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Tesla interior with the huge dash "tablet" is terrible

I literally won't buy one because of that. You can see finge...
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
Cr lol @ every car company pushing.sps "screens" e...
shimmering razzle-dazzle whorehouse
  08/01/23
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puce pocket flask native
  08/01/23
This is what I'm talking about: https://cars.usnews.com/s...
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
LJL
shimmering razzle-dazzle whorehouse
  08/01/23
That interior looks so cheap
Bronze Boyish Theater Stage Elastic Band
  08/01/23
That's part of what keeps it affordable. Materials are Ikea ...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
Teslas are affordable
Pale exhilarant really tough guy
  08/02/23
it’s like a 6-yr old ipad with cracks and smears glued...
multi-colored location
  08/01/23
...
puce pocket flask native
  08/01/23
Lmao
irate famous landscape painting
  08/01/23
that looks fine, looks like somebody took an ipad pro and a ...
Appetizing goyim
  08/01/23
I like it. Wood trim too. What's the problem?
french pit
  08/01/23
Every new car has cybertruck styling now too. I’ve alr...
Wine soul-stirring antidepressant drug hall
  08/01/23
Oh look, even Honda has a stupid tablet: https://hips.hea...
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
Honda still gives you dials for basic climate control shit. ...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
a chill "grocery store" worker looking to buy a Te...
titillating out-of-control windowlicker
  08/01/23
He probably makes like 110000k tbf
Magenta parlour friendly grandma
  08/01/23
And that’s just from his only fans
Bronze Boyish Theater Stage Elastic Band
  08/01/23
?
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
I'm a subscriber
Adulterous Startled Tank
  08/01/23
the new S-class has three tablets - dash, console, and armre...
big chocolate stage
  08/01/23
Are you kidding? Tell me you're kidding.
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
I only see 2? https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2023-m...
titillating out-of-control windowlicker
  08/01/23
Awful
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
i was parked next to one yesterday and the armrest/console d...
big chocolate stage
  08/01/23
LJL at driving that yourself.
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
I despise all screens in cars, it's such a fucking step back...
grizzly factory reset button principal's office
  08/01/23
It reduces cost not flame because they can make them right s...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
they're still ghastly and prole
grizzly factory reset button principal's office
  08/01/23
OFS. Look at the old Mitsubishi Eclipse: https://hips.hea...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
This is like the one time the American version of a car was ...
Coral medicated area faggotry
  08/02/23
I'm not buying a car that doesn't have physical ac and volum...
Passionate gold temple
  08/01/23
I won't even settle for volume buttons. I will replace the h...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
Adapters are getting hard to find.
180 old irish cottage boltzmann
  08/01/23
Damn, yeah. Can't do more recent models at all. This is all ...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
Tesla has physical volume wheel on the steering wheel bro
buck-toothed bawdyhouse wagecucks
  08/01/23
tesla's have so many gimmicks. my friend got a model Y and k...
peach crawly resort main people
  08/01/23
Counter points: -the full self-driving is sweet for commuti...
electric corner
  08/01/23
Don't you have to "plug it in" for like an hour ju...
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
I just charge it overnight, man. It takes 10 seconds to grab...
electric corner
  08/01/23
But if you're out of power and want to go somewhere...you ca...
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
If I let it get to 0.0? Yes. Just like if you let a gas car ...
electric corner
  08/01/23
If I charge all the way I get 300 miles (250 IRL miles) - it...
electric corner
  08/01/23
You can charge it 1/2 full in 10 mins at a Tesla charger
buck-toothed bawdyhouse wagecucks
  08/01/23
There was a Car & Driver article about this. It's way c...
up-to-no-good clear center gunner
  08/01/23
Yes, higher (((profits))) hehe
purple coiffed mother parlor
  08/01/23
Range Rover just eliminated climate controls for 2024. ht...
Coral medicated area faggotry
  08/02/23
Jesus Christ this was was pinnacle of interior design. ht...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
A close family member has a new Taycan. It has digital gauge...
amber bateful digit ratio heaven
  08/01/23
https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
Diamond hard. UNGH: https://www.stratstone.com/-/media/s...
amber bateful digit ratio heaven
  08/01/23
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/f63967c...
mind-boggling sinister gaming laptop
  08/01/23
lol at that prole keyboard on the fucking steering wheel
big chocolate stage
  08/02/23
that man poasts
Coral medicated area faggotry
  08/02/23
...
electric corner
  08/02/23
Jesus this is unnecessary.
Coral medicated area faggotry
  08/02/23
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/d307433...
Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping
  08/01/23
I saw a Tesla on the road earlier and immediately noticed th...
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  08/02/23
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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:39 AM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

I literally won't buy one because of that. You can see fingerprints all over it, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615211)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:40 AM
Author: shimmering razzle-dazzle whorehouse

Cr lol @ every car company pushing.sps "screens" everywhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615216)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:25 PM
Author: puce pocket flask native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618250)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:41 AM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

This is what I'm talking about:

https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/custom/15203/2023_Tesla_Model_3_Dashboard_1.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615220)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:41 AM
Author: shimmering razzle-dazzle whorehouse

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615221)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:38 AM
Author: Bronze Boyish Theater Stage Elastic Band

That interior looks so cheap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615626)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:53 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

That's part of what keeps it affordable. Materials are Ikea quality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617473)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 12:39 AM
Author: Pale exhilarant really tough guy

Teslas are affordable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619221)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:42 AM
Author: multi-colored location

it’s like a 6-yr old ipad with cracks and smears glued to the dash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615629)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:26 PM
Author: puce pocket flask native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618252)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:18 PM
Author: irate famous landscape painting

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618189)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:18 PM
Author: Appetizing goyim

that looks fine, looks like somebody took an ipad pro and a $8 ipad pro mount they got from amazon and did the needful.

...wait the car *comes* like that? LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618853)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 11:18 PM
Author: french pit

I like it. Wood trim too. What's the problem?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619050)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:45 AM
Author: Wine soul-stirring antidepressant drug hall

Every new car has cybertruck styling now too. I’ve already noticed this with new Hyundai, Lexus, and Toyotas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615240)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 1:48 AM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

Oh look, even Honda has a stupid tablet:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2023-honda-accord-hybrid-interior-103-641b11010e6eb.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615249)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:55 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

Honda still gives you dials for basic climate control shit. I hate the shit with no dials. Honda's old non& touch interface with the hockey puck was pure shit too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617487)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:33 AM
Author: titillating out-of-control windowlicker

a chill "grocery store" worker looking to buy a Tesla

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615618)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:35 AM
Author: Magenta parlour friendly grandma

He probably makes like 110000k tbf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615623)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:39 AM
Author: Bronze Boyish Theater Stage Elastic Band

And that’s just from his only fans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46615627)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:51 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617460)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:26 PM
Author: Adulterous Startled Tank

I'm a subscriber

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618257)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:53 PM
Author: big chocolate stage

the new S-class has three tablets - dash, console, and armrest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617468)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:53 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

Are you kidding? Tell me you're kidding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617471)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:56 PM
Author: titillating out-of-control windowlicker

I only see 2?

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2023-mercedes-benz-s-class-sedan-dashboard-carbuzz-1015007-1600.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617492)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:00 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

Awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617520)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:00 PM
Author: big chocolate stage

i was parked next to one yesterday and the armrest/console divider looked like it had buttons and a surface on it, but that photo suggests at least that trim doesn't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617524)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:01 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

LJL at driving that yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617526)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:55 PM
Author: grizzly factory reset button principal's office

I despise all screens in cars, it's such a fucking step back from good buttons that do the handful of things you actually need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617484)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:56 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

It reduces cost not flame because they can make them right side drive without redesigning anything. Scions had the gauges in the center because they were JDM rebadged and sold in the USA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617495)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 4:57 PM
Author: grizzly factory reset button principal's office

they're still ghastly and prole

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617499)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:00 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

OFS. Look at the old Mitsubishi Eclipse:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/e15-1558372273.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617519)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 1:06 AM
Author: Coral medicated area faggotry

This is like the one time the American version of a car was nicer.

https://silverarrowcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/1993-Eagle-Talon_0085.jpg



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619329)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:01 PM
Author: Passionate gold temple

I'm not buying a car that doesn't have physical ac and volume buttons. If that means I have to drive a 2012 Camry for the rest of my life then so be it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617528)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 5:02 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

I won't even settle for volume buttons. I will replace the head unit with one that has a dial. Kenwood still makes them in double din last I checked and you can buy adapters that link up to your specific vehicle's computer so you can still do everything the old tablet did.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46617530)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:13 PM
Author: 180 old irish cottage boltzmann

Adapters are getting hard to find.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618834)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:39 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

Damn, yeah. Can't do more recent models at all. This is all u can get for Porsche:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_120AXDPO13/Axxess-AXDIS-PO13-Wiring-Interface.html?tp=3486

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618949)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 11:17 PM
Author: buck-toothed bawdyhouse wagecucks

Tesla has physical volume wheel on the steering wheel bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619045)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:20 PM
Author: peach crawly resort main people

tesla's have so many gimmicks. my friend got a model Y and kept showing me how if he presses a few buttons on the keyfob the car performs a "light show".

it was so dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618205)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:24 PM
Author: electric corner

Counter points:

-the full self-driving is sweet for commuting (it kind of sucks in city traffic)

-the interior is easy to keep clean - you just wipe it down without gross nooks and crannies full of dead skin, your kids’ goldfish crackers, etc.

-you can do almost everything easily with voice control (just say “I’m hot” and it turns down the temp and increases the fan speed)

-it’s fast/fun as hell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618242)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:27 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

Don't you have to "plug it in" for like an hour just to go somewhere? I can fill my tank in three minutes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618260)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:33 PM
Author: electric corner

I just charge it overnight, man. It takes 10 seconds to grab cable and plug it in.

We had a power outage once and I had to go to supercharger but otherwise has not been an issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618294)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:33 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

But if you're out of power and want to go somewhere...you can't?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618297)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:35 PM
Author: electric corner

If I let it get to 0.0? Yes. Just like if you let a gas car go empty. It’s not really a concern - you just fill it/charge it before it gets empty. I don’t miss going to gas stations and touching the pumps and buttons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618302)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:36 PM
Author: electric corner

If I charge all the way I get 300 miles (250 IRL miles) - it’s not like those old Nissan Leafs that got 40 miles max.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618306)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 11:19 PM
Author: buck-toothed bawdyhouse wagecucks

You can charge it 1/2 full in 10 mins at a Tesla charger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619053)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:31 PM
Author: up-to-no-good clear center gunner

There was a Car & Driver article about this. It's way cheaper to have one tablet than a whole bunch of individual knobs and buttons. It's all a $cam while leading proles to think they get a "free computer" with their car

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618282)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:32 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

Yes, higher (((profits))) hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618293)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 1:02 AM
Author: Coral medicated area faggotry

Range Rover just eliminated climate controls for 2024.

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/webp/2023/05/Range-Rover-SV-Bespoke-8.webp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619317)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 8:36 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

Jesus Christ this was was pinnacle of interior design.

https://youtu.be/ntzxg1yF1Rc?t=130

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618305)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:10 PM
Author: amber bateful digit ratio heaven

A close family member has a new Taycan. It has digital gauges, a screen control for climate etc., a digital PCM display, and then another screen in the dashboard for the front seat passenger.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/autoweek/assets/Taycan_Interior%2520(3).jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618822)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:13 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Volvo-850-Interior.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618835)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:35 PM
Author: amber bateful digit ratio heaven

Diamond hard.

UNGH: https://www.stratstone.com/-/media/stratstone/spotlight/porsche-933-turbo/porsche-911-993-turbo-interior-1280x720px.ashx

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/post-custom-images/1600/0/400/475.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c4nn8CW.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46618931)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 11:22 PM
Author: mind-boggling sinister gaming laptop

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/f63967ce-ferrari-testarossa-replica-20.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619065)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 12:38 AM
Author: big chocolate stage

lol at that prole keyboard on the fucking steering wheel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619215)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 1:07 AM
Author: Coral medicated area faggotry

that man poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619331)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 8:13 PM
Author: electric corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46622794)



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Date: August 2nd, 2023 1:01 AM
Author: Coral medicated area faggotry

Jesus this is unnecessary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5381611&forum_id=2phpsessid=49d358651c#46619312)



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Date: August 1st, 2023 10:21 PM
Author: Smoky Hairraiser Lodge Gaping

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/d3074334-1977-mercedes-benz-300-diesel-15.jpg

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Date: August 2nd, 2023 11:09 PM
Author: purple coiffed mother parlor

I saw a Tesla on the road earlier and immediately noticed the huge tablet. Very sad -- and sick!

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Date: September 4th, 2026 2:14 AM
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