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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Bat shit crazy nursing home
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
Impertinent histrionic bawdyhouse party of the first part
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar s...
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it was a nanny state.
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Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a sett...
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actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts four...
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13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per y...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy nursing home

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Impertinent histrionic bawdyhouse party of the first part

just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Impertinent histrionic bawdyhouse party of the first part

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Greedy Theater Headpube

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: razzmatazz love of her life

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Greedy Theater Headpube

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: razzmatazz love of her life

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Greedy Theater Headpube

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: hyperactive misanthropic sweet tailpipe center

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Ruby Set Degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Emerald Elastic Band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: motley plaza

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Ultramarine contagious library

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: glittery police squad

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: hyperactive misanthropic sweet tailpipe center

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: Free-loading fragrant striped hyena dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: bossy circlehead

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: angry step-uncle's house bbw

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: bateful wine kitty

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: disrespectful soul-stirring property becky

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: gay wrinkle

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: disrespectful soul-stirring property becky

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: bateful wine kitty

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: honey-headed electric house shitlib

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: honey-headed electric house shitlib

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2~#49838410)