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HBS and Katherine Shaw MBA 2008/G
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Date: June 4th, 2008 9:28 AM Author: excitant black woman Subject: HBS and Katherine Shaw MBA 2008/G Lots of buzz on the HBS campus, as information has leaked regarding Katherine Shaw a 2008 MBA candidate at Harvard Business School. It appears that Shaw had her married, live-in boyfriend write one of her recommendations for admittance to the school. Larry Schack, was Katherine's former professor, who she had a long time extra-marital affair with. This obviously violates the ethics as well as the policies of the HBS Community Values Standards. Anyone interested in voicing their concerns about HBS investigating this issue is free to contact Dean Jay Light, jlight@hbs.edu, or Kimberly Budd, Director, Community Values Program, kbudd@hbs.edu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9856726) |
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Date: June 4th, 2008 7:23 PM Author: Maize theater stage Ho-hum. For every one they catch, 20 are slick enough to get away with it. (Sigh) I had a long conversation with a woman who admitted writing three of her recs to a top business school in the east (not Hahvad). She graduated 10 years ago and is very successful today. What was I to do? Report to her alma mater?! Get real! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9858040) |
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Date: June 4th, 2008 9:29 PM Author: 180 Cruise Ship Friendly Grandma Subject: Ho-hum NOT! Ethics mean something at "Hahvad" This may only be ho-hum to Vaiginia, although I can not think of any of my colleagues at HBS who isn't bothered by the thought of someone utilizing such menial tactics to garner admittance to this school.
First, let's consider the complete lack of morals and integrity it takes for someone to involve themselves in an affair with a married man, and then ask ourselves how someone reconciles such behavior in their personal life yet portrays themselves to be something polar opposite in public (as Katie must have done). There is no way the lack of integrity it takes to live two lives (while being involved in an affair) doesn't overlap itself in one's business and professional life.
If the rumors spreading about Katie are true, and she did in fact have her boyfriend or the man she was having an affair with write her recommendation, her lack of integrity and willingness to breach ethics will not stop there. The application process for admittance to HBS is a rigorous one, and many applicants were denied admittance for her spot. Therein lies the ethical issue HBS authorities must grapple with.
Individuals who are not apart of this community, like Vaiginia, will not understand the gravity of this issue, and shrugging off incidents like this simply because it happens or has been done before isn't a strong enough argument for me. There are policies in place that all MBA candidates at HBS vowed to uphold.
For what it is worth, values, character and ethics are becoming lost in today's business world and at most B-schools, although that is not the case here, or within this community. |
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Date: June 5th, 2008 8:58 AM Author: Maize theater stage If you think that there isn't a contingent of people in your class who did something unethical to help their applications along, you are sadly naive. Have you already forgotten the scandal that broke a couple of years ago, when applicants to Hahvad B-skool hacked into the system to see where they stood? You are wearing rose-colored glasses, Ms. Drena.
Firstly, there is no difference, really, between your classmates and those at Wharton, Chicago, Stanford, etc. And since we have now at least TWO examples of bad behavior at Hahvad, let's stop picking on it and move on to others.
A few years ago, two or three Wharton students were busted just weeks shy of graduation; one apparently listed a position on Wall Street that he never had, and another one hadn't taken the GMAT herself. There was, I am told, a similar case at Chicago, where a student with an 800 GMAT was discovered to be bogus; someone else had taken the exam.
These are type A's that we're talking about. At the extreme, they will stop at nothing to get what they want, even though it means selling their mother down the river. The very brightest ones have gotten away with who knows what, and will not be caught. They're just too good.
And about married people having affairs, DUH! This is going on in at least a third of marriages out there, so it's nothing unusual. Sad, but not unusual. I recall a chilling story that my older sister told me about her b-skool experience. After class (at a top 5), she was walking back to her apartment with a classmate who asked her to share with the women in her class that - even though he was married - he was available to give them all the sexual pleasure they desired. This fellow had left his murine wife and two kids in another city for a couple of years, only to advertise himself as the class stud. He graduated with honors and is now playing hardball on Wall Street. He may end up being your boss, Ms. drena. Deal with that. |
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Date: June 5th, 2008 10:50 AM Author: gay nudist mental disorder boltzmann Subject: Titcr. Just generalizing here, but MBAs tend to be the biggest group of unethical strivers around, probably even moreso than law students. Most of them aren't even that bright (and I'm talking about MBAs from top schools here). A lot of hedge funds don't like them at all.
I agree with you though, the ones who got caught weren't the brightest of the lot. The market has done a good job of weeding them out before Wall St. even gets the chance. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2008 9:04 AM Author: garnet aphrodisiac foreskin lodge Subject: Harvard MBA, Katherine Shaw, and reputation It takes someone with no ethics, moral compass, or basic acknowledgment of right and wrong to have engaged in the types of alleged behavior this girl did (sleeping with her MARRIED former professor), and it is also incredibly cliche to be a woman sleeping her way to get what she wants. Patterns of human behavior dictate that if a person has the ability to deceive others and lie in one aspect of their life, they will repeat these patterns of behavior in other aspects of their life. This girl will be judged by what she did for a long time, and in my opinion individuals with such barren moral and ethical character have no place at Harvard Business School.
The dealings in her personal life alone violated the HBS Community Standards in my opinion, and the "alleged" ethics violation only adds another layer to the prostitution of her invitation to HBS. Additionally, her section mates have stated that she was not a top quartile student.
Lies, betrayal, and deceit: traits synonymous with Harvard alum, Eliot Spitzer, does anyone else see the correlation? Maybe TA Associates should be concerned.
http://www.private-equity.org.uk/profile_career_bio.php?contact=Katherine%20E.%20Shaw |
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Date: July 24th, 2008 5:20 PM Author: citrine sickened space degenerate Seems to be a big-ass email directory here...
http://www.private-equity.org.uk/profile.php?contact=TA%20Associates%20Inc
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Date: August 20th, 2008 6:56 AM Author: Olive native stain your broadcast email to TA Associates was received and got the attention you were looking for...
her boyfriend's papers made for great reading, and generated lots of hushed discussion...
was reminiscent of the katie we all know, her taudry behavior in this affair is not the first time she has spread her legs to get what she wants...
we all knew about her affair with one of the married directors at our firm, and he didn't mind doing a little kiss and tell on katie...
from what i hear with him she was willing to go very far... like taking it in the ass. |
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Date: August 8th, 2008 1:06 AM Author: burgundy high-end ticket booth Subject: katie, my door is always open because i like to get a little freaky outside of my wife too, and since you don't have any morals, you're exactly what i am looking for. call me 1800gigolo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#10046317) |
Date: June 4th, 2008 9:35 AM Author: excitant black woman Subject: Katie Shaw MBA 2008/G Other questions revolve around her application process, interview rounds, and why HBS did not have internal processes in place to realize before now that L.Schack was not only her recommender, but also registered as her MBA Partner. 2008/2009 MBA candidates at Harvard Business School are uniting in an effort to protect the integrity of the Leadership Values Initiative at the school, and expressing their concerns regarding this issue to the appropriate authorities. Dean Jay Light, jlight@hbs.edu Kimberly Budd, Director Community Value Program, kbudd@hbs.edu |
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Date: June 4th, 2008 12:18 PM Author: soul-stirring glassy ladyboy Subject: News about Katie Shaw and HBS A group of us spent time after the gala last night talking about this, her boyfriend's separation papers are floating around. I was friendly with her in section during our rc year. God, I can not believe the lies she told many of us about her relationship with Larry Schack.
How do you have an affair with a married man and be able to look at yourself in the mirror everyday, and how stupid of her to have him write one of her recommendations. Did she actually think in today's world information like this wouldn't come back to haunt her?
Based on Schack's separation docs, he was physically abusing his wife. Great choice in a recommender eh?
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Date: June 4th, 2008 4:33 PM Author: irradiated light filthpig no big thang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9857632) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 1:58 PM Author: Glittery philosopher-king resort Subject: Response from HBS Contrary to the assertions in this thread, the student mentioned is not being investigated by HBS and we know of no basis for these allegations. Impugning the reputation of others in public communications is a clear violation of our community values. We are in the process of investigating the author of this messaging campaign, and are cooperating fully with law enforcement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9873453) |
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Date: July 4th, 2008 6:32 PM Author: lascivious laser beams Subject: Katherine Shaw and Harvard Business School McGruuff, The Crime Dog here.
After an exhaustive investigation, me thinks HBS_Admin may have a background in marketing research and public relations, like that of Larry Schack, Sr. Vice President of Penn, Schoen, and Berland. Evidence: the use of "messaging campaign" in this post. It should be noted here, that any person who fraudulently represents themselves as a direct authority of Harvard Business School is guilty of a crime.
My keen sense of investigation, and skills in uncovering the truth, have revealed that HBS_Admin is not affiliated with Harvard Business School, for logic dictates that the institution would not open themselves to the potential public scrutiny of stating false information about an investigation of Katherine Shaw and Larry Schack; in light of the information requested by Kim Budd. Whether or not Harvard Business School follows through now or in the future on the information they have obtained is yet to be determined.
Very Truly Yours, McGruuff, The Crime Dog
"I Take a Bite Out of Crime" |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 2:15 PM Author: garnet aphrodisiac foreskin lodge Subject: Katherine Shaw and HBS I just received a forwarded copy of her boyfriend, Larry Schack's court separation docs, his wife filed a restraining order against him for domestic violence - looks like he beat her several times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9873493) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 5:34 PM Author: Floppy Station This is Larry Schack. I hope that people can see from the nature of these postings that the anonymous author is clearly disturbed, if not criminal. In fact it looks like a number of criminal laws have been broken and authorities are working through ISP and service provider privacy policies to identify the person responsible for these postings. The truth is very different, in particular I did not write a recommendation for Ms. Shaw and the other allegations are likewise false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9873924) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 7:17 PM Author: bright laughsome stag film telephone suck my dong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9874177) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 7:24 PM Author: garnet aphrodisiac foreskin lodge Sorry, Larry Schack, but there is nothing criminal about anything written in these posts from what I can see. Just as there isn't anything criminal by using our right to free speech, nor were any crimes committed when your public court documents were forwarded to me, which reference a restraining order filed against you, and issues of domestic violence. Since you are obviously concerned about your reputation (something I can definitely understand), you probably should know, that you and Katie Shaw are being talked about throughout facebook, and several other discussion threads. If talk about allegations were a crime, everyone in the US would be criminals.
Oh, and I am using my isp at my apartment by Soldiers Field - sue me. |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 7:57 PM Author: Floppy Station In fact there are limits to free speech and you have crossed a number of them through false statements, among other things. I'd be nervous if I were you as well. I am sure you can explain your position to the feds when they show up. Signing off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9874251) |
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Date: August 4th, 2008 2:07 AM Author: emerald big corner kitty cat Schack, Holy Fuck! What are you involved in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#10034202) |
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Date: August 13th, 2008 12:23 AM Author: hot meetinghouse Hey Lawrence is that you on facebook? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#10060820) |
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Date: June 9th, 2008 4:14 PM Author: irradiated light filthpig no biggie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821642&forum_id=1#9873762) |