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HLS EIP Bidding [NYC] - 3 H's, 7P's - Advice?
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Date: July 30th, 2010 8:49 AM Author: Violent Dun Hall Subject: HLS EIP Bidding [NYC] - 3 H's, 7 P's - Advice? Hi there,
I'm a rising 2L at HLS and am putting together my bid list for EIP. I have 3 H's and 7 P's and want to work in New York. I know that the top 15 New York firms are likely out of my reach (say, all the way to Milbank, Tweed, etc or Paul, Hastings) and so while I don't plan on bidding on those firms, I'm not really sure at what point on the list firms start becoming realistic options.
Does anyone have advice as to what point on the rankings I should focus my attention, any firms in particular that seem like good targets, etc? Any advice would be much appreciated -
Thanks a lot -
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Date: July 30th, 2010 8:58 AM Author: Mind-boggling plaza liquid oxygen SUMMON: estrada (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652262) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 11:40 AM Author: Wonderful Drab Psychic What do you want to do in NY? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652754) |
Date: July 30th, 2010 9:18 AM Author: tan jet-lagged son of senegal dilemma Are things this bad right now even at HLS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652276) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 11:39 AM Author: Floppy lettuce Is that below median? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652752) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 11:48 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag i think you might be being a little pessimistic, but what are your legal interests and where did you get your Hs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652789) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:08 PM Author: Violent Dun Hall I got the H's in Legal Research and Writing, Civil Procedure and my International Law Elective. P's in everything else.
Even after thinking about it a lot, I don't have a clear ideas as to what I'm interested in. The large, generic fields of litigation and corporate law are both somewhat intriguing to me, but I don't think I'll really have a better idea until after getting some actually work experience in a particular area (which is why I don't plan to be too discriminate when it comes to practice areas when bidding.)
I assumed that given the economy and my average grades, that starting bidding at the 15th or 20th highest ranked NYC firm was appropriate (but I guess it may be a bit pessimistic?) Any perspectives would be helpful.
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:09 PM Author: arousing university H in Civ Pro means you should try to sell yourself as Lit.
Enjoy Stroock? |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: cerebral messiness nowag lol i seriously doubt they will be taking the Hs and Ps that seriously lolol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652890) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: cerebral messiness nowag yup, these are slightly below median grades, and lrw and the international elective are among the silliest classes. make sure to bid deep in the V100 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652885) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:13 PM Author: bespoke godawful pocket flask below median at H needs to bid this low? ughhhhhh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652910) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:14 PM Author: cerebral messiness nowag well you have a shit-ton of bids, it's just safe to spend some of them that low. i believe this is what OCS is saying as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652916) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:18 PM Author: bespoke godawful pocket flask ok that's not so bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652932) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: cerebral messiness nowag it IS so bad man. it's sooo bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15652987) |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: Violent Dun Hall cool thanks.
so you think starting to bid at Allen & Overy (Vault: 35th overall, 18th in NYC) and then roughly going down the list for new york firms would be a decent approach?
thanks again for the feedback guys |
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Date: July 30th, 2010 1:15 PM Author: vivacious stage milk Do you have any interest at all in firms outside of NYC? Are you going to be sending your resume to any non-OCI firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15653294) |
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Date: July 31st, 2010 1:51 AM Author: Violent Dun Hall i don't really have an interest in firms outside nyc. i am debating whether or not to recruit with non-OCI firms - in fact, i'm planning on making that decision based on the feedback i got (from places such as this forum). if thats necessary thats a route i'll pursue, though i was hoping that bidding on nyc firms at EIP outside the top 20 would suffice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15659862) |
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Date: July 31st, 2010 1:52 AM Author: vivacious stage milk your 1L grades are even worse than mine, you should look into it.
you wouldn't even go to Delaware? |
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Date: August 1st, 2010 8:28 PM Author: aqua zombie-like den give me a break - just below median at hls can't even enjoy dla piper? i don't believe it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15674156) |
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Date: August 1st, 2010 2:53 PM Author: Violent Dun Hall any other advice?
thanks |
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Date: August 1st, 2010 8:01 PM Author: Swashbuckling Aggressive Doctorate Area Too bad you didn't go to Michigan. You'd be living the life with firms licking your feet. No one wants an HLS grad ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15673908) |
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Date: August 1st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Turquoise twisted indian lodge elastic band are you a HOTCHICK? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15674668) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2010 12:26 AM Author: Violent Dun Hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15676765) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2010 7:35 AM Author: Violent Dun Hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15678673) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2010 12:52 PM Author: Violent Dun Hall tentative list i put together based on summer class sizes, selectivity stats, vault rankings, etc. the list is not ordered yet (the numbers refer to the vault ranking). any feedback on the list, additional suggestions would be much appreciated. thanks a bunch.
15 Latham & Watkins LLP 7.212 Los Angeles, CA 16 Sidley Austin LLP 7.088 Chicago, IL 18 Jones Day 6.927 Washington, DC 19 Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP 6.844 Los Angeles, CA 20 White & Case LLP 6.777 New York, NY 21 Arnold & Porter LLP 6.775 Washington, DC 22 Shearman & Sterling LLP 6.751 New York, NY 23 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP 6.742 New York, NY 25 Ropes & Gray LLP 6.618 Boston, MA 30 Linklaters LLP (US) 6.457 New York, NY 32 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP 6.267 New York, NY 33 Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP 6.265 New York, CA 34 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP 6.188 Washington, DC 36 Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP 6.170 New York, NY 38 Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer LLP (US) 6.122 New York, NY 40 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP 6.060 New York, NY 46 Proskauer Rose LLP 5.916 New York, NY 47 Dewey & LeBoeuf LLP 5.887 New York, NY 56 Bingham McCutchen LLP 5.639 Boston, MA 57 Dechert LLP 5.603 New York, NY 65 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP 5.319 New York, NY 70 Kaye Scholer LLP 5.123 New York, NY 80 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP 4.773 New York, NY 85 Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP 4.697 New York, NY 88 Stroock & Stroock & Lavan LLP 4.592 New York, NY 90 Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP 4.540 New York, NY 91 Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel LLP 4.513 New York, NY Not Ranked Brown Rudnick
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Date: August 2nd, 2010 12:55 PM Author: Tripping old irish cottage desperate times call for desperate measures, but for the love of god don't give latham any love (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15679929) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:02 AM Author: overrated voyeur you'll get in everywhere you apply! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686685) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:03 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag were you smoking crack when you made this list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686695) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:10 AM Author: overrated voyeur no dood he is just bidding according to Vault rankings, isn't that credited? He will definitely get an offer from Boies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686777) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:11 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag lol ty. lolol. ty. who the fuck are you OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686789) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:15 AM Author: overrated voyeur As a fellow rising 2L, who actually put some cursory thought into researching and making a bid list, I want to know who this kid is so I can fuck with him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686836) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:16 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag ditto. who are YOU then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686842) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:18 AM Author: overrated voyeur if OP outs himself, so will I (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686862) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:19 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag what section (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686874) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:19 AM Author: Floppy lettuce neither of those two, but section 6 here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686880) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:20 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag some cute chicks in your section (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686893) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:22 AM Author: Floppy lettuce yeah, none of them single though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686907) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:24 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag pretty sure there were some cute enough single ones but of course most of the best in any section were taken i think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686932) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:27 AM Author: overrated voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686954) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:28 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag i wasn't in that section but yes it was fucking weird.
seems likely that i know at least two or three people itt |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:22 AM Author: overrated voyeur Section 6 had more objectively attractive girls than any other, but a lot of the doods were fucking weird (no offense brah) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686911) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:23 AM Author: overrated voyeur and by "more" i mean like 3 or 4, maybe. As opposed to 1 or 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686921) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:23 AM Author: Floppy lettuce there are definitely dudes that are moar pleased with themselves than should be, but thats all i've noticed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686922) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:21 AM Author: overrated voyeur One of the easy ones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686895) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:23 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag so not 5, probably not 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686926) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:24 AM Author: overrated voyeur correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686935) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:26 AM Author: Floppy lettuce wait waht do you mean by easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686949) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:27 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag lol stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686961) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:29 AM Author: overrated voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686977) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:31 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag yeah i know your section. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686998) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:32 AM Author: overrated voyeur haha quite likely...what section were you. Not 6
Poast then delete |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag no way am i fucking outing my section on here lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687028) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:35 AM Author: overrated voyeur just write some shit that may or may not give it away and then delete. no harm no foul (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687058) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:38 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag sorry there's perils in giving out information about yourself on here and i already know your section. and obviously we're not going to figure out who the other one is so seems no point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687106) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:39 AM Author: overrated voyeur fair enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687117) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: Floppy lettuce i haven't found that outward gunners correlate to being smart/getting good grades at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687019) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:33 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag that sentence was near incomprehensible but i agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687032) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:35 AM Author: Floppy lettuce lol fine.
outwardly gunning is not related to getting good grades |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:36 AM Author: overrated voyeur This is definitely true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687064) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:38 AM Author: Floppy lettuce HOWEVER, the people that say things like "but we're at HARVARD, guys, frickin' Harvard, we'll all be fine" are probably dumber than avg. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687111) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:39 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag most people at the school are pretty dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687129) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:40 AM Author: Floppy lettuce most are just really immature.
there are some smart motherfuckers running around there. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:41 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag lol yeah really smart distinguishing among highlighters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687156) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:41 AM Author: overrated voyeur This I definitely agree with. I've for sure been blown away by some people, but for the most part they don't seem so special. A lot of people who just work ridiculously hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687155) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:42 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag yup, gunners before even if not now. nobody has blown me away although i agree there are some very competent people in your section (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687171) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:37 AM Author: cerebral messiness nowag yeah of course not. if anything the opposite since it involves a lot of reading cases and other stupid bullshit you don't need (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687075) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 12:03 AM Author: angry ceo circlehead know a dude that got GDC last year with those grades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15686699) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:16 AM Author: Turquoise twisted indian lodge elastic band city? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687582) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:17 AM Author: angry ceo circlehead one of nyc/la/dc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687593) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:21 AM Author: Turquoise twisted indian lodge elastic band nyc is a lot easier than la and dc IIRC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687643) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:22 AM Author: angry ceo circlehead it's still pretty competitive, right? I feel like OCS told us it was a selective firm before oci (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687667) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:35 AM Author: Turquoise twisted indian lodge elastic band yeah you might be right bro. how is BIGFEDERALAGENCY and your job search going? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687818) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2010 1:41 AM Author: angry ceo circlehead BIGFEDERALAGENCY is okay, I guess. I can certainly say that I would not do it but for ITE. but beggars can't be choosers. Job search is blah. just responding to postings on csm. I'm going to do a mass mailing in a few weeks. I'm not expecting much. it's pretty sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1382293&forum_id=2#15687866) |