Date: December 14th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Vivacious Medicated Famous Landscape Painting
My favorite thing on cnn.com today is the "how will the tax plan affect you calculator". My result was - your taxes will go down and your take home pay will go up, BUT your take home pay will go down in 2027!
Explain. ISPs will be allowed to prioritize Internet traffic.
Common sense should tell you that they'll give torrent/pirating sites either the lowest priority, or no priority at all. I can explain this "common sense" if you don't understand it.
Date: December 14th, 2017 1:58 PM Author: cracking newt
ok, I take this back having just gone through some of the final proposal here http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf. Originally a complete repeal of title II wasn't contemplated but now it is, including the no-blocking/throttling rules. See 259. We find the no-blocking and no-throttling rules are unnecessary to prevent the harms that they were intended to thwart. We find that the transparency rule we adopt today coupled with our enforcement authority and with FTC enforcement of ISP commitments, antitrust law, consumer expectations, and ISP incentives will be sufficient to prevent these harms, particularly given the consensus against blocking practices, as reflected in the scarcity of actual cases of such blocking.
The FCC is making the argument that these rules are redundant because reinstating Title I gives authority to the FTC to enforce ISP commitments not to throttle and has heightened disclosure requirements which they think is enough to turn market forces against the ISPs. They seem to neglect the problem that consolidation of ISPs doesn't leave consumers with much alternatives, at least currently.
Meh. There will be workarounds. In the end this will probably help hardcore torrenters b/c the less accessible pirating is, the less attention it gets from the government/corporation.
Date: December 14th, 2017 3:32 PM Author: wonderful ceo mother
This is the most intellectually honest position. Dishonest redditors claim they oppose it because it will "hurt consumers" but their real concern is that it will prevent them from torrenting terabytes of anime porn
Date: December 14th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: cracking newt
there can be alternative methods of distribution- it's not all doom and gloom. Competitors will find a way to shoot up hot air balloons or use broadcast frequencies if the existing ISPs get too buckwild on price gouging.
That just hides your input (where you are accessing your connection).
It has nothing to do with your output (the sites you visit).
The ISPs will kill bandwidth to pirate sites, the output. So it doesn't matter what location you use to access the sites. They won't load no matter where you say you're from.
Date: December 14th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: zippy hairraiser native
Date: December 14th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: lawman8
How does a VPN get around that?
That just hides your input (where you are accessing your connection).
It has nothing to do with your output (the sites you visit).
The ISPs will kill bandwidth to pirate sites, the output. So it doesn't matter what location you use to access the sites. They won't load no matter where you say you're from.
Date: December 14th, 2017 6:02 PM Author: zippy hairraiser native
When you're connected to a VPN, *all* the content between the VPN client and the VPN server is encrypted. Your own ISP gets put in the dark about what any of the traffic is between you and your VPN. You could be torrenting or watching Youtube or poasting on XO. They won't have any idea.
If you're connected to a VPN, torrents can't get throttled by your own ISP without throttling the entire VPN connection.
Date: December 14th, 2017 3:14 PM Author: cracking newt
tbf they had an artificial cost base freeriding off ISP distribution. Netflix could absorb that cost but they'll be happy to instead pass it on to consumers
Date: December 14th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: Swollen house private investor
I am strongly opposed to the repeal of Net Neutrality, but the current round of debate has been SPS, especially relative to the last time this topic was a popular issue. It has been a great example of the decline in discourse in this country.
The biggest drawback from a non-neutral internet is that it will all but rule out the possibility of new startups with business plans involving use of large amounts of bandwidth to deliver time-sensitive data, such as video and real-time audio or visual communications. Out of necessity, any such startup MUST be acquired by one of the established big players to leverage their established QoS agreements in order to roll out their product. In other words, the YouTubes and Facetimes of the world will become even more entrenched than they currently are.
The demise of Net Neutrality will also allow ISPs to capture more of the consumer surplus arising from current online products via de facto tolls based upon consumer demand for individual web services.
Date: December 15th, 2017 7:17 AM Author: Motley geriatric gay wizard
CR. Slate sucks and Tim Wu is a charlatan and there's a lot to disagree with in this interview, but I was impressed that the headline writer picked up on this point as the key issue to highlight, as it's being woefully underreported. Even Netflix will benefit to a large degree from the entrenchment effects. The internet is still very young and new entrant innovation should be a bigger priority than ISPs getting relief from the existing subsidies to content that are, in and of themselves, entrenchment along the same lines going back to 1996.
Date: December 14th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: titillating stag film toaster
It's reminiscent of when Apple relented and allowed the record companies to charge more for more popular songs. The flat $1/song was simpler for consumers, but it was "bad" for the labels who felt they weren't squeezing as much profit out of the market as they should have.
why do they assume that "the Internet as we know it" is an inherently good thing that should be protected? The way the internet "is" today essentially came about by accident.
Because the alternative will assuredly be GC Internet.
Remember, this policy change was pushed through by the same people who figured out how to get the average consumer to spend like 30% of their discretionary spending on their product (cable package with multiple boxes).
Date: December 14th, 2017 5:17 PM Author: cracking newt
the hilarious thing is that this just takes us back to the pre-2014 status quo. and ISPs weren't gouging or doing any of the stuff to consumers then the fearmongers are claiming they will now do.
Date: December 14th, 2017 6:05 PM Author: zippy hairraiser native
Wrong
"In early 2005, in the Madison River case, the FCC for the first time showed willingness to enforce its network neutrality principles by opening an investigation about Madison River Communications, a local telephone carrier that was blocking voice over IP service. Yet the FCC did not fine Madison River Communications. The investigation was closed before any formal factual or legal finding and there was a settlement in which the company agreed to stop discriminating against voice over IP traffic and to make a $15,000 payment to the US Treasury in exchange for the FCC dropping its inquiry.[28] Since the FCC did not formally establish that Madison River Communications violated laws and regulation, the Madison River settlement does not create a formal precedent. Nevertheless, the FCC's action established that it would take enforcement action in such situations."
"In August 2008, the FCC made its first Internet network management decision.[42] It voted 3-to-2 to uphold a complaint against Comcast ruling that it had illegally inhibited users of its high-speed Internet service from using file-sharing software because it throttled the bandwidth available to certain customers for video files to ensure that other customers had adequate bandwidth.[43][44] The FCC imposed no fine, but required Comcast to end such blocking in the year 2008, ordered Comcast to disclose the details of its network management practices within 30 days, submit a compliance plan for ending the offending practices by the end of the year, and disclose to the public the details of intended future practices. Then-FCC chairman Kevin J. Martin said the order was meant to set a precedent, that Internet providers and all communications companies could not prevent customers from using their networks the way they see fit, unless there is a good reason. In an interview Martin stated that "We are preserving the open character of the Internet" and "We are saying that network operators can't block people from getting access to any content and any applications." The case highlighted whether new legislation is needed to force Internet providers to maintain network neutrality, i.e., treat all uses of their networks equally. The legal complaint against Comcast was related to BitTorrent, software that is commonly used for downloading movies, television shows, music and software on the Internet.[45]"
Date: December 14th, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Snowy garrison
You mean back when Verizon and Comcast throttled Netflix traffic, resulting in shitty streaming performance? When the ISPs refused to flip a switch and fix the speeds until Netflix paid them off?
why the shit should verizon and comcast subsidize netflix's business model and have their networks get clogged up (and their customers be unable to make phone calls, use the internet, etc.) as a result?
this horrible outcome that needs to be prevented (oh no, netflix had to pay off an ISP! poor netflix!) is actually the marketplace working the way it should. we dont need some faggot needledicked govt regulator to rubber stamp all this bullshit. and fuck you for thinking we do you dumb kike.
Date: December 15th, 2017 9:53 AM Author: stimulating mahogany shitlib
gov't is already involved because ISPs are a government protected monopoly. Good luck getting an alternative ISP in MFH. It's Spectrum and only Spectrum, and that's because the Feds say so.
Once you are in that world you can't just sit back and say "FREE MARKET".