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GAME OF THRONES is a TTT show/book series
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:33 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988515) |
Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:36 PM Author: flesh boltzmann it is ridiculously overrated, but really high production values and a few very strong performances make it fairly compelling television (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988526) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:37 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater It's the best fantasy series ever written and the best fantasy TV show ever made. If you don't like it you probably don't like fantasy. I think the HBO show is Top 5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988530) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:38 PM Author: flesh boltzmann i'm not sure it's even a T10 fantasy series (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988540) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:39 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater give me some comparables, genuinely love the genre and would love your thoughts (though i'm skeptical since you are wrong about GOT)
and if you say LOTR you're discredited. i don't know anybody who actually read those books who liked them. awesome world-building, OF COURSE, but fuck who needs to read four pages of a poem, over and over and over. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:41 PM Author: aromatic brethren national tcr LOTR created a formula that has been improved on significantly, particularly in the last 25 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988550) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:43 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Hard to even call GOT fantasy. Maybe "soft fantasy." Sure, there are dragons but they haven't really played a major role just yet. And the things beyond the wall also haven't come into play too much in either the books or the movies. It's more of a War of the Roses political/soft fantasy hybrid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988556) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:44 PM Author: flesh boltzmann this is hardly a point in its favor as a GOAT fantasy series (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988560) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:46 PM Author: aromatic brethren national yeah, but only because it just so happens that the POV characters are primarily concerned with political jostling. There is magic in the world, it's just that WesterosBros don't fuck with it, for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988573) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:55 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth Its very derivative of the Wars of the Roses with Stark = York and Lannister = Lancaster but that's not necessarily a bad thing because the Wars of the Roses are very interesting.
PS: Aside from the dragons GoT is a pretty low-magic realm. It wasn't even clear for a long time whether there was any actual magic or it was just superstition. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:58 PM Author: flesh boltzmann derivative is per se bad when you're making art (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988637) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:41 PM Author: Free-loading Costumed Faggot Firefighter (fucks u with a rusty spork while quoting shakesfaggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988903) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:42 PM Author: flesh boltzmann 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988908) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:58 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater oh i don't think it's a bad thing at all. i love the fucking series and whatever he's doing is working IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988640) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:44 PM Author: flesh boltzmann i agree about LOTR but i still think it's better than SoIaF which is way overrated. i'd put SoIaF slightly ahead of Wheel of Time, which is your classic too-length too-many-characters bullshit genre tripe. in my very humble view, SoIaF is not as good as, say, The Dark is Rising, the Belgariad, Dalemark, Prydain, Earthsea, the L'Engle books if you're counting them, or even Harry Potter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988558) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:47 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater OK cool recs, will check out. But have you read all the SOIAF? I will grant that the last two books have been pretty bad, but the first three books were so outstanding that it hasn't soured me from the series. I'm hopeful that George Martin lets the showrunners work some magic on the final two books. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988575) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:47 PM Author: flesh boltzmann i found the first three mind-numbing enough that i never got to 4 and 5 tbh. sorry :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988579) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:48 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater wow couldn't disagree more. different strokes i suppose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988582) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:49 PM Author: flesh boltzmann yea, different strokes :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988589) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:51 PM Author: aromatic brethren national wow, seriously? ok well that's just a matter of taste, I think 1-3 are all T14 fantasy novels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988598) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:52 PM Author: flesh boltzmann haha. well, i knew you and i had different tastes. :) you could make an argument for GoT, but definitely not the other two. how much fantasy have you read? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988605) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:55 PM Author: aromatic brethren national a fair amount. WoT, Malazan, Brandon Sanderson (Mistborn and Stormlight Archive), Kingkiller Chronicles (loving this one so far), some Robin Hobb (also a favorite), Scott Lynch, Tad Williams, Prydain, some Pratchett, a few other randoms by Piers Anthony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988623) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:57 PM Author: flesh boltzmann oh most of that is not good imo. WoT and sanderson in particular are really bad. i've never read pratchett, everyone says i should. but in general i like smaller, more delicate works with compelling characters and with some mystery to them, i don't get off on huge armies being thrown at each other. for example, i think Redemption of Althalus is way better than anything else by Eddings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988632) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:59 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater what's your single favorite fantasy book/series (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988644) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:00 PM Author: flesh boltzmann for a series Dark is Rising comes close. maybe Dalemark. for a book... idk, it'd be something by DWJ i'm almost sure. i think she's head and shoulders better than the others when it comes to single works.
one thing that many people think improves GoT over other fantasy is that the characters are older. but they all retain adolescent mindsets, for one reason or another. so this doesn't really change much. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:03 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Dark is Rising looks to be written for "children/young adults." I can't do that again. Should I try anyway? Harry Potter was a slog if you read them as an adult, especially juxtaposed against the grit of GOT, and the Wheel of Time series reminded me of junior high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988672) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:05 PM Author: flesh boltzmann WoT is shit. the "grit" of GoT is just masturbatory imo. i feel the same way about cormac mccarthy. i haven't read Dark is Rising in years, so i can't speak to it. if you want some faux "grit" in your fantasy where a lot of people get raped and murdered and it feels really epic, i mean, idk, that's just not what i know and it's just not what i do, so i don't know where to find it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988682) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:06 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater So Cormac McCarthy is "faux grit," GOT is "faux grit." What is "real grit" then friend? We are talking fiction after all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988689) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:09 PM Author: flesh boltzmann idk if i believe in real grit as something worth writing towards. just seems like a silly and useless goal, orthogonal to aesthetic questions. it ALL seems faux to me unless it's crucial to advancing a story which is independently worthwhile (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988711) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:07 PM Author: aromatic brethren national WoT can't be appreciated for the first time as an adult. It's not mature enough, you need to read it as a teenager. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988696) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:44 PM Author: Free-loading Costumed Faggot Firefighter what? who on earth praises GoT for having older characters? robb and dany claimed their thrones before they could fuckin drive. arya is the world's most mentally complex 11 year old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988917) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:02 PM Author: aromatic brethren national I'm kind of a sucker for big epic scenes, dramatic showdowns, that kind of stuff, which tends to inform my preferences, particularly as far as fantasy goes. (e.g. the battle at the end of Lord of Chaos might be my GOAT fantasy chapter). But I'll add Redemption of Althalus to my reading list. Any other 180 recommendations? |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:03 PM Author: flesh boltzmann yeah i know you are :) i prefer emotions and clever puzzles.
something small: try Hexwood. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:05 PM Author: aromatic brethren national ty man I'll add that too. Who is this btw? |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:06 PM Author: flesh boltzmann probably the first person you would guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988686) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:07 PM Author: aromatic brethren national got it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988700) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:12 PM Author: flesh boltzmann i'm gonna email you a link edit: if i find it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988725) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:14 PM Author: aromatic brethren national ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988742) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 9:06 PM Author: Copper bawdyhouse edit: nvm lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26989004) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:45 PM Author: Copper bawdyhouse curious to know why you don't like Sanderson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988921) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:51 PM Author: flesh boltzmann actually i was thinking of someone else. i only know sanderson as the WoT replacement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988942) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 9:18 PM Author: Cracking painfully honest space dragon Ok I started WoT as a teenager and the same with Belgariad. WoT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Belgariad so I really can't take what you are saying seriously. I mean, different strokes and all that, but really, Belgariad beats WoT and GoT? Next you'll be telling me Dragonlance was the best fantasy series (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26989058) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:45 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Also tell me this scene isn't awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUWR8wvqQw8 |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:46 PM Author: flesh boltzmann it's ok yea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988570) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:49 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Find me a fantasy clip that's even close to that level of awesome. Better not involve smiegel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988587) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:51 PM Author: flesh boltzmann don't get me wrong, i think it's great there's a solid fantasy show on tv in the first place (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988601) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:14 PM Author: Bateful crystalline box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988741) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:22 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988788) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:44 PM Author: Avocado balding macaca stag film you obviously never grew up with the likes of Fantasy Island or Too Many Cooks. by comparison, GoT is must watch tv
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:45 PM Author: vibrant lavender heaven EVERYONE IS WRONG! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988563) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:49 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988592) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:46 PM Author: Beta international law enforcement agency striped hyena (ned stark) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988568) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:49 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988590) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:52 PM Author: aromatic brethren national needlenose ned, ned the head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988607) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:54 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth An issue with GoT is that its hard to give the five existing books one single rating or ranking because the first three are really good while four and especially five suck.
Something like LotR is much more consistent across the volumes. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:54 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Yes, LOTR was consistent - consistently shitty.
Agree with you on books four and five. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:57 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth If you think LotR is shitty we aren't going to agree on anything. I'm not a LotR fanatic and it certainly has its faults but to say its shitty is silly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988631) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:01 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater To me it's really bad, almost unreadable. Credit to the guy for basically starting a genre but he went overboard with the languages and the history and all that. Oh look! A poem, stretching for four pages. And another in the next chapter. Tell the truth - you skipped those. At bottom, he just couldn't tell a story especially wrt pacing. Maybe it'd be different were I born in the 30s or 40s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988658) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:06 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth I've read the books several times but I admit the songs and poems only got read once, if that. But they make up what, 1-2% of the book? That's hardly a reason to dismiss the books.
I like the languages and the history and the sense that the events in the book are occurring against a backdrop of thousands of years of history.
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:09 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater It's not the songs and the poems per se; it's that they're a good illustration of how masturbatory the books were for the author. He could not edit. He could not pace. He did build a cool world that lots of other authors have basically copied to tell an actual, good story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988710) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:00 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988652) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:04 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth Pretty much. Not all of books 4 and 5 suck but the decision to separate them by geography was lunacy and they are far far too long with loads of extra characters nobody cares about being introduced which just dilutes the enjoyable parts with the characters you do care about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988679) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:08 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988702) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:23 PM Author: Jade Passionate Home ?
littlefinger didn't die though...? i don't even remember a scene in which it was implied that he might have |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988807) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth Same here. Last thing I remember he had manipulated the Vale nobles into making him a sort of Protector. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988808) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:25 PM Author: flesh boltzmann BUT OMG WHAT'S HIS ENDGAME? THE CHESSMOVES ARE FASCINATING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988816) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:27 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988829) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:56 PM Author: translucent ticket booth (prole faggot who watches the tv show first) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988626) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 7:59 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988645) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:04 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988676) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:11 PM Author: Mauve generalized bond useless brakes very glad i have still dodged this cultural bullet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988718) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:13 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988735) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:42 PM Author: dull center The first three books/seasons are amazing, and it seems u don't even have a firm grasp of what characters are still alive etc. go back to fucklaw threading lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988909) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:43 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988915) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:48 PM Author: dull center "First three seasons are really good but don't watch them because I don't like the fourth"
Am I missing something here or ? |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:55 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988957) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:57 PM Author: maroon tripping half-breed house It doesnt matter what GRRM says or does. The HBO guys have carte blanche to finish this show and David Benioff is one of the best screenwriters alive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988964) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:57 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988967) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 9:00 PM Author: maroon tripping half-breed house He controls the books. HBO can do whatever it wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988975) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 9:05 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988999) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:46 PM Author: Free-loading Costumed Faggot Firefighter I thought season 4 of the TV show was quite good. Oberyn is a great TV character whereas he doesn't make as much of an impression in the books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988922) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:50 PM Author: rebellious scourge upon the earth I think a large part of that was because the actor who played him was so good. He was definitely better as a TV character than a book character. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988937) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:39 PM Author: Sinister citrine theater Why? Because 2 or 3 xo poasters couldn't resist the urge to be contrarian? You're missing out bigtime. There are people on this board who think Breaking Bad was SPS too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988899) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:43 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988913) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:45 PM Author: dull center This logic is found wanting yo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988920) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:47 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988927) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:53 PM Author: dull center Do u tell people not to watch the matrix because the third one sucks? Just a retarded position imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988952) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2014 8:57 PM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26988966) |
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Date: December 24th, 2014 3:47 AM Author: Hot set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2765171&forum_id=2#26990776) |