Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:31 AM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
You always hear arrow and benzo saying shit like "good, it's about time that gays/Libs fought back."
However I don't remember a time when thousands of non-Libs grouped together to bully people out of jobs or bully a small business to be shut down. Libs do this now whenever they are offended about anything, even if their reasons for doing so are misguided or dishonest, and due to the Internet the lib hordes descend down until the bones are picked dry. And it's even considered acceptable among mainstream "normal" liberals. "They had it coming," they would say. Even when proven totally wrong, they never admit being wrong, and often continue piling on their victims.
Liberals are the true bullies now, and they are far nastier and collectively have more power thanks to the Internet than any "right wing bully" ever had.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:36 AM Author: rambunctious arousing university pervert
cr. any dissent that is not PC will be met with having hordes of shitlibs calling for your head. they are literally more dangerous to your livelihood than ISIS
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:38 AM Author: Vibrant spot national security agency
nothing is worse than a humiliated, formerly bullied group who then later get hold of the whip hand themselves (see: the behavior of jews in israel, 'female bosses', black judges/prosecutors, etc).
Date: April 3rd, 2015 4:43 AM Author: impertinent orange library indirect expression
Yeah it's why xoxo posters spend all of their time attacking women, minorities and libs. IRL they are marginalized or ridiculed for being aspie losers; on xoxo they're surrounded by kindred spirits and they feel like big shots.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:39 AM Author: Galvanic tripping business firm psychic
"I don't remember a time when thousands of non-Libs grouped together to bully people out of jobs or bully a small business to be shut down."
You mean like when California voters signed enough petitions to put a measure on the ballot to ban all gays from being teachers? Or when the NYC police raided the Stonewall Inn and arrested people for the crime of serving alcohol to gays?
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:46 AM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
Well you can say what you want about the democratic process. Libs seem to hate it anyway. But none of those examples you mentioned happened in most of our lifetimes, right?
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:42 PM Author: shivering queen of the night giraffe
If Right is Conservatives, then Nazis are Far Left. They wanted to destroy traditional cultures and build a brand new society based on their idealistic theoretical world view.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:58 AM Author: Onyx Vigorous People Who Are Hurt Death Wish
This is true. I'm not sure why this isn't more known.
I've been in towns in West Virginia where I couldn't get service (or service was obviously slower than for other folks) and it was obvious that I was black. My family got denied service at Denny's when I was a kid.
those are terrible indignities and it's sad but in the end if my business isn't welcome i'll go somewhere else. I won't bully/shame people because of it. I wouldn't want to waste energy on someone else's issues.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:09 PM Author: Onyx Vigorous People Who Are Hurt Death Wish
Appreciate that bro.
I'm just an up the middle type of black person. I don't pretend race isn't an issue but it's something that should be talked about/discussed instead of marching/bullying/hate.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:31 AM Author: aphrodisiac lettuce
*threatens to burn down business, sends death threats, destroys livelihood over narrow gotcha hypothetical by someone who, to the best of anyone's knowledge, has not actively discriminated against anyone - only stated the intention to do so in a very specific circumstance*
ITS A PERFECTLY NORMAL, PERFECTLY NATURAL REACTION
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:41 AM Author: Aqua marketing idea
I don't think you get what bullying means. A key part of it is that the target is low status, which is not the case of a Christian business owner in Indiana.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:43 AM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
I actually think you don't get what bullying means yourself, lib
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.[1][2] If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:47 AM Author: Aqua marketing idea
how literally dumb are you?
if your target is powerful, it can't possibly be called bullying. If people wrote angry yelp reviews about Chipotle or mean tweets at Obama, that's not bullying since they're powerful. get it?
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:56 AM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
how in the fuck is a small, no name pizza place in small town Indiana "powerful?"
Add to the that complete imbalance in "social power" when 1000s of harping shitlibs who never set foot in Indiana at all shower the yelp page with 1 star reviews and sickening "reviews" that blaspheme the owner's religion in the most hurtful way possible and literally post explicit gay porn pictures? Some even threaten arson, robbery, etc against the owners. The owners have literally never wronged any of these people, and are likely good people.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:01 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
they're not powerful, but Christian small business owners are higher in social status in Indiana than gay people.
In any case, your argument can't possibly be correct. Consider this hypo. If a pizza place didn't want to cater at a mixed race marriage and people started posting BBC porn on their yelp page, I would find it funny. But there's basically no difference between this hypo and what's actually happening, except for perception. But if one is bullying then so is the other.
Posting gay porn on their yelp page is basically a political protest. The owners were public with their beliefs and they're feeling the backlash. Sorry about your friends in Indiana
Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:05 PM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
you literally couldn't be more wrong than you are about this. Sorry man.
Interesting that only libs see posting vile porn as being acceptable political protest. And it's not just a few libs that think this way. You never see conservatives doing this, and if one did, no one would think it was funny or acceptable.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:59 AM Author: rambunctious arousing university pervert
yeah bro, shitlib big media goes after tiny 5 person pizza family business that probably grosses $100K max, hoardes of shitlibs threaten their way of life and shut them down, everyone idiot is calling in with death threats, but hey, DAS NOT BULLYING
also LOL at comparing this teeny tiny little pizza place to Chipotle or fucking OBAMA. LJL
Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:02 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
it was to emphasize the difference in balance of power that was included in the definition. Christian business owners are more powerful than gays in indiana.
so if they wouldn't do mixed marriage weddings and people posted BBC porn on their yelp page, that would be bullying? Obviously not. It's literally the same hypo
Gotta do some work, enjoy your crazy out of touch ranting, XO
LOL at broadly characterizing their tiny hole in the wall business as "christian business owners" and characterizing the "bullies" only as Indiana gays.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:10 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
Yeah, it probably would be bullying, actually.
The problem with libs is that they don't get that people who hold views which are stupid, retrograde, even hateful are still people who get treated with the same basic modicum of respect everyone else deserves.
If you do away with that categorical protection, then you're basically saying that might makes right--and you're in the ascendancy now, but you might not always be.
Would I support a boycott of your racist business in the hypo? Sure, and if all that people were doing with the pizza place was not buying shit there and telling others to do the same, then I could live with that. But the concerted harassment--the perceived need to use whatever means available to harm them--bespeaks a disregard for the strictures and structures of liberal (in the broad sense) society.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:39 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
I'm responding to someone else, but I'm asking if you think posting BBC porn on fucklaw's yelp page (if he publically stated he wouldn't cater mixed marriages) is bullying. I think it would be a totally deserved form of trolling, even if it's immature
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:45 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
I'm bound by <><><>CATEGORICALIMPERATIVE<><><> to say that yes, I think it would be bullying. If one dude does it? Immature but possibly hilarious. But when you have a mob of people doing it then we're talking bullying. And since there's no logically coherent way to say, "well, it's okay to poast BBC on darnell's HBD PIZZA yelp page but only if a few people do it" (there's a sorites paradox, for one thing), then I think the right thing to do is to categorically condemn and prohibit it.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:50 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
Nah. a "mob" of yelp posts won't take anyone down since all the trolls will be deleted by yelp, and Its fine If fucklaw/the Indiana people are momentarily offended. Your distinction between a couple of trolls and a mob of trolls makes no sense
Date: April 3rd, 2015 9:46 AM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
But yelp isn't deleting the trolls on the pizza place, which is 99% of the reviews. They may have taken down some of the hardcore gay porn pics, but yelp is absolutely letting "trolls" place reviews and disgusting comments who never set foot in the place.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:54 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
Lol I just got you to admit you'd be upset about people posting interracial porn on a racist and discriminatory business owners yelp page, which is laughable
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:02 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
It's just funny how people got so angry with my bbc porn analogy. I guess it really touched a nerve
fact: Fucklaw's Pizza Parlor would not get 400k for telling people he doesnt cater interracial marriages, and if his yelp got trashed no one would give a fuck. Your disagreement with liberals isn't with their means but their ends
Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:59 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
How? I think that even a racist and discriminatory business owner has the right to expect a basic decency in the way people interact with him, and people posting obscene material (I don't really care if it's interracial, or bukkake, or what) on his review pages out of a sense of impotent bullying rage isn't part of that decency.
Refuse to patronize the business.
Urge others to boycott it as well.
Maybe even picket it, in a peaceful and non-disruptive manner.
All those things are civil and are also far more likely to create positive change than acting like a Visigoth.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:06 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
look, I don't doubt that you wouldn't post bbc porn on their yelp. But there be widespread anger about libs posting bbc on their yelp? Fuck no. And you haven't explained why my hypo is bad, you just claimed that you wouldn't be ok with spamming in their case either. But the point of my hypo is to compare mainstream reaction to both cases. Here we have $400k donated in two days. For Fucklaw's pizza parlor, $0 would be raised
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:14 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
Bro, the point isn't whether or not there would be widespread anger, it's whether there SHOULD be.
My argument is that in the long run, everyone--including traditionally persecuted members of sexual or racial minorities--are better off when we respect small-l liberalism and are generally more civil.
At any rate, I would argue the burden is on you to prove that engaging in disruptive, rude, and antisocial behavior is useful or justified here. What have you guys done other than make these Indiana pizza proles rich?
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:36 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
first of all, I don't think there's anything wrong with writing angry yelp reviews. It's a valid form of protest
Posting porn isn't mature or justifiable, but it makes me laugh and doesn't make me angry. It's just funny trolling.
the entire point of my analogy wasn't to settle on acceptable forms of behavior but to point out the phony outrage in this thread. If you agree with me that xo wouldn't post an angry thread about Fucklaw's pizza place getting mean yelp reviews, we have nothing further to discuss, except for why you originally claimed my analogy was flawed
Last, *I* haven't done anything. I'm mostly making fun of xo's self-righteous bullshit. Idgaf about the pizza place
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:48 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
Okay, I think I was assuming you were being more shitlib than you actually are.
I agree with you that poasting porn isn't really that harmful in any real sense, but I guess my problem is the principle of the matter--it's part and parcel of an overall immature type of mobbing that both sides on issues in the US are increasingly turning to, and I find it alarming.
I also agree that in the abstract, I find it humorous.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:52 PM Author: Aqua marketing idea
Well I can agree with that. I'm actually reading "so you've been publically shamed" and it's highly CR. And they do have a liberal "social justice" bent, but the title of this thread is retarded
It's actually hilarious to see lines like "shitlibs don't care about intellectual nuance, just sound bytes" because that was the line about reptiles in 2004 when republicans were ascendant
Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:05 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
I agree with that as well, friend. I think I was in daypoast mode earlier but I feel mellower now. I agree that reptiles have been (and still are) just as bad in the recent past, but I think that libs are currently worse. Not to say it'll remain that way.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:32 PM Author: fishy fiercely-loyal whorehouse elastic band
i had just googled this definition because i don't think the shitlib brigade bullies me at all since i'm not abused, intimidated or aggressively dominated by them
in any way
and then i remembered how i keep my mouth shut on facebook so i don't have to deal with shitlib backlash/unfriending if i stated my actual thoughts...
Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:26 PM Author: rambunctious arousing university pervert
protip: that means absolutely nothing. the law was just dumbed down for you libs. the law hasn't changed. lgbt is still not a protected class under indiana law so a gay couple can't force religious bakeries to cater their wedding ceremonies in cities without lgbt protection
"Advance America, which lobbied for the original RFRA said the proposed changes would "destroy" the law.
"Among the things that will happen, Christian bakers, florists and photographers would now be forced by the government to participate in a homosexual wedding or else they would be punished by the government," Advance America said in a blog post."
Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:21 PM Author: rambunctious arousing university pervert
"The legislature has made clear that RFRA can’t be used to conduct broad discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, while allowing those who choose not to participate in specific events a potential defense against state and tort action for their refusal even where public accommodation laws exist."
Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:14 PM Author: Concupiscible gas station
"However I don't remember a time when thousands of non-Libs grouped together to bully people out of jobs or bully a small business to be shut down."
Back in the 60's (into the 90's outside of big cities outside of the coasts) gays who were outed to the their employer would routinely lose their jobs and have their careers ruined. This was unfortunately the case in a whole slew of professions (police, law, finance etc) even in progressive cities. Read up on the stonewall riots to understand the context of those police raids on gay bars. Gays were forced to bribe everyone from the police to the mob to avoid being outed to their employer. So yes, livelihoods were routinely destroyed by your ilk. The shame of homosexuality was so powerful that outed people often killed themselves after they were disowned by family and former friends.
Has the pendulum swung a bit too far in the other direction? In some situations that's probably the case. Though it rarely compares to what certain groups have faced in recent history. That in no way excuses the bad behavior and the ridiculous positions of certain activists, but your hyperbole is similarly preposterous.
Those people were probably able to pick up and move somewhere else and start over. Doesn't mean any of it was right, but it was at least an option. Social media means that not only can MORE people attack you, your family, and your livelihood at once, but it's public knowledge FOREVER.
Yeah so easy to just pick up, move to a random city, find a job and start over in 1960s America where most people never even moved out of the city/town they were born in.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:28 PM Author: rambunctious arousing university pervert
This is like criticizing Christians for the Crusades or whites for slavery. No one here was alive back then. Should we sanction today's Germans for Hitler?
Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:35 PM Author: Concupiscible gas station
"Should we sanction today's Germans for Hitler?"
No, but we should never treat the events as minor or inconsequential. OP is attempting to erase the wholesale discrimination of a group of people that occurred just a few decades ago.
Do you think that bullying and harassment are a good way to win someone over to a cause? Libs are the ones always saying "omg. I can't even. It's 2015." Well in 2015 these kinds of targeted attacks shouldn't be a thing AT ALL. But because they think they're right it's ok.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 2:51 PM Author: Concupiscible gas station
I never said that harassment was ok. I agree that past discrimination does not excuse bad behavior in the present. However, OP's whitewashing of history is indicative of the "who me" culture that often pervades the right. They act as if they were never dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
I wouldn't say it's white-washing. I think it's more "in the social media age" this hasn't happened. Both sides have expressed outrage and boycotts at various times. And obviously the right has a rich history of discrimination. But it's pretty majorly hypocritical for libs to cry about cyberbullying (esp against gays) only to do that and more to individual conservatives just for not agreeing with them.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 3:13 PM Author: Adventurous Nursing Home
some of the reviews are far worse than this. Literally posting gay porn fanfic with Jesus and stuff, utterly blasphemous and depraved. And xoxo libs actually think that this is an acceptable form of political protest. Show a little class.
Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:02 PM Author: massive razzle forum jew
So do you. And for the record, I don't support that behavior either. I think it's uncouth and harassing, exposes everyone here to needless risk, and won't accomplish anything. And it's wrong.
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:03 AM Author: ultramarine windowlicker ratface
I can see the ruthless fascist nature of faggot sympathizers before other Americans. They're starting to come around, especially as their neighbors are getting sued and their churches are getting threatened.
Enjoy it while it lasts. White conservatives have lots of kids and lots of guns.
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:05 AM Author: odious field
WTF are you talking about? Nobody is shooting gays for going through the political process through SCOTUS to legally identify their rights. Are you even American?
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:15 AM Author: ultramarine windowlicker ratface
Yes, I'm American, because I don't think people should have their businesses and families harassed for supporting a viewpoint unpopular with cultural elites and sexual deviants.
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:18 AM Author: odious field
And gays don't want to be marginalized either. The difference is they were peaceful, raised money, got lawyers.
You are acting like the blacks in Baltimore talking about guns and violence and shit. If anything, gays did this right and peaceful and did it through the courts.
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:26 AM Author: ultramarine windowlicker ratface
I respect the blacks in a way for doing what they gotta do. In the end, might makes right and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Gays were "peaceful" while making death threats against an Indiana pizza shop that WOULD serve gays but not cater a gay "wedding"? Harassing this simple middle American family was "peaceful"?
Brendan Eich was forced out of a job he earned because he supported Prop 8 SIX years earlier. Your movement ruined his livelihood because of his beliefs. Must be nice to have that power, and not to be the ones harmed because of YOUR beliefs.
You don't just want states to recognize your "marriages". You want the literal harm of those that disagree with you. It's not "peaceful" and will not end peacefully.
Date: April 28th, 2015 1:13 AM Author: ultramarine windowlicker ratface
its not gonna happen for a while, because Christians are too nice and have been too tolerant. But keep threatening their lives and careers and that will change in the long term.