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Libs may have selfpwned with gay marraige: CCW license must be recognized in all
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:20 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location ALL 50 STATES.
http://bearingarms.com/scotus-ruling-sex-marriage-mandates-nationwide-concealed-carry-reciprocity/
Can't wait for this one to get tested, but if true say goodbye to your shit laws Commiefornia and Democratic People's Republic of New York. |
Date: June 27th, 2015 12:20 PM Author: Light deranged parlour Hahaha amazing
Lawfags please confirm |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:51 PM Author: aromatic orchestra pit it seems like an airtight case bro, can't believe the libs overlooked this. supreme court may not even wait for appellate decisions or even litigation just announce it sua sponte. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211179) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:33 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211035) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: Mustard Mewling Volcanic Crater 180 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211037) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: iridescent supple rehab You could almost say they shot themselves in the foot HAHAHAHAAAA (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211038) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: Mustard Mewling Volcanic Crater (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211043) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:52 PM Author: aromatic orchestra pit (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211181) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 3:08 PM Author: zombie-like bonkers codepig 180 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211971) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:35 PM Author: Vigorous Bronze Psychic This does not seem correct to me. What is his argument? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211049) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:38 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location Licenses issued by a state (pursuant to 2A) are just as valid as marriage licenses, right? Therefore, they deserve equal protection in all states.
There's a far stronger constitutional basis for this than fag marriage, where the court basically ruled YOLO |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:45 PM Author: Judgmental pozpig depressive Each state can reasonably regulate firearms, I.e. choose to require specific permits.
Not the same thing as homo marriage.. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor You mean requirements like the license only be granted to a man and a woman? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211124) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:49 PM Author: Judgmental pozpig depressive But in one case you have the state discriminating based on orientation/gender and in another case you have the state discriminating based on constitutionally neutral factors. They will find a way to rationalize it, even though it's pretty close. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211156) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:50 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor Gay is rational basis. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211162) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:53 PM Author: Vigorous Bronze Psychic Actually, gays have their own scrutiny called INFINITY SCRUTINY where nothing that negatively impacts gays can ever be constitutional.
Source: Kennedy, Anthony |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:05 PM Author: trip at-the-ready goal in life abode LOL yup (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211296) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 3:12 PM Author: pungent splenetic school LOL 180 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211985) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 4:45 PM Author: Milky Puppy actually lol'd (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212338) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 4:46 PM Author: spectacular library elastic band (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212344) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 10:35 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28214148) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:44 PM Author: Judgmental pozpig depressive While it might make logical sense do you think these judges will care about logic?? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211109) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor No (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211118) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: spectacular library elastic band (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211126) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: Jade partner Good point. We will have to see what standard of dignity they review CCW licenses (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211875) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:50 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor We should at least agree that states cannot require you to be a resident to obtain a permit or license. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211169) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:53 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office Or even a new one. Your conceal carry should entitle you to the rights and responsibilities of a conceal carrier operating in that state. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211191) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:57 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor I have been talking to my states reps to pass a law to not honor the drivers' licenses of individuals from states who do not honor my state's carry permit.
That is the best way to make the point. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:32 PM Author: Translucent water buffalo garrison what hhas your state reps said in response (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212562) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:53 PM Author: aromatic orchestra pit con "law" is flame but isn't that a P&I question? this thread seems retarded. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211193) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:55 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor Retarded how? A ridiculous number of states will not issue and, in fact, have in the statute you must be a resident to obtain a carry license.
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:51 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office I would agree with this. A conceal carry should be recognized in both states. That doesn't mean they don't have to follow the state's laws.
So you couldn't conceal carry in another state in a place where you can conceal carry in your home state. And a state that prohibits conceal carry still recognizes your license, you just aren't allowed to do anything with it. Also, all states issue marriage licenses, not all issue conceal carry.
Montana doesn't have a speed limit on freeways but your Montana drivers license doesn't mean you can go 120 mph in Colorado. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:52 PM Author: spectacular library elastic band how did you become so shitlibby? just wondering (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211183) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:58 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office To be clear, I am advocating that conceal carry licenses holders from state A be treated the same as conceal carry license holders from state B while in state B.
I think my personal brand of shitlibbery is a combination of living in lots of different cultures and knowing a wide variety of people (treat everyone fairly and equally) while also understanding economics (incentives matter, free trade is the greatest force for good in the world). |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 4:40 PM Author: irradiated church building Shitlibs don't treat people equal or fair nor do they care about economic incentives. You sound like a LOLbertarian in SHITLIB clothing. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212324) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:28 PM Author: twisted dilemma he sounds like a pretty normal person, actually. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212538) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:54 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor All states now issue concealed carry. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211201) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:58 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office Really? Then there's no issue. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211240) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:00 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor Yes, but non-residents can't get them in a large percentage of states and there is no reciprocity. For example, I can't get a New York or Maryland permit as a non-resident and my various permits do not work in those states. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211259) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:05 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office We are in agreement. This should be changed and this case is good precedent for that.
My only disagreement was that if a state didn't issue ccps, then they shouldn't be forced to, as that should be a state prerogative. But if you're saying all states have some form of a ccp, then you should be able to go to New York and abide by all the same rules that a New York resident and permit holder has to abide by. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:08 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor 2d Cir ruled that was not possible.
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:09 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office Take it up. I think this case is new precedent warranting SCOTUS review. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211322) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:14 PM Author: wild tantric juggernaut legal warrant Has the clock expired on Illinois appealing the 7th cir ruling mandating ccw?
I don't know if they'd be willing to risk getting pwned and being the state that opened the door to nationwide ccw. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:36 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor I am pretty sure cert was denied. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211519) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: umber range deer antler shitlibs states just refuse to issue them to anyone who is not a cop or celebrity. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211593) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:59 PM Author: wild tantric juggernaut legal warrant (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211241) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: Appetizing unhinged hissy fit pocket flask There are still a couple "may issue" states left. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211598) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 2:50 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location With Allah's permission, the 9th circus will fuck up Peruta and let it go to the Supreme Court. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211864) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 2:54 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor Of course, but there are no states that do not issue CCWs at all. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211883) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:05 PM Author: Sadistic giraffe location That's already how reciprocity works, exactly like a driver's license. As it stands now, you may be licensed to carry in one state and your license only works in your state, a handful of other states, or most but not all states. Notably, NY, CA, HI, and most of the northeast does not recognize anyone else's CCW permits.
The idea system is in AZ, AK, KS, WY, and VT. In these states, open and concealed carry is 100% permitted to any lawful firearm owner. There are still rules about where you can and can't bring a gun, but they're the minority that actually follow the wording of the Constitution. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:55 PM Author: Bipolar Stage Let's not be silly. Precedent doesn't matter. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211215) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:56 PM Author: stirring claret parlor Real talk: I'd trade Gay Marriage for being able to pack a legal and licensed gun in all 50 states. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211222) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 12:58 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor SSM was always a tax/cost issue to me. Frankly, I don't think the government should have anything to do with marriage. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211232) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:02 PM Author: stirring claret parlor ya same
I've posted a few times on this board that I always thought a convenient way around this issue was the allow the state to only issue "civil union" certificates or whatever that have the same force as marriage licenses between two persons of any type.
But now its kind of 180 because I never really cared much about Gay marriage at all but being able to have a CCW in a NOTORIOUSLY anti CCW state would be amazing. |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:04 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor You will still be fucked because you are a commiefornia resident so you would have to get one from commiefornia. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211285) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:10 PM Author: stirring claret parlor True true
If you go north of Sacramento its easy to get a CCW but below Sacramento currently you can get one only if your job is dangerous like an armored car dude/courier dude - the only loophole is that if you own 3 or more rental properties in many counties you can obtain a CCW due to the frequency you handle cash |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:06 PM Author: trip at-the-ready goal in life abode why would you want homo marriage in the first place?
well at least I'll have a gun when the homo fascists come after me |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:11 PM Author: stirring claret parlor I mean i'm not really pro gay marriage - i just don't really care.
I will say that I think that tons of fags are deranged and shouldn't be raising children in their deranged multipartner lifestyle - but at least now they will not be adopting kids to use as political pawns |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 4:42 PM Author: irradiated church building Why do you care about ghey marriage? (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212334) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:00 PM Author: Razzle maize newt "I’ll be driving through the District of Columbia, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York in several weeks, places that until yesterday I did not have a legal right to concealed carry. As of today, with this decision, it would seem that these states and the District must honor my concealed carry permit, or violate my constitutional rights under the 14th and Second Amendment."
yfwgi |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:01 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor The number of people of concealed carry where it is not legal by statute is actually quite high. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211265) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:02 PM Author: Judgmental pozpig depressive how often do they get busted (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211276) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:09 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor Very very rarely. The people who do it are smart about it. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211319) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:07 PM Author: overrated international law enforcement agency principal's office I'm a shitlib and this makes sense to me, so long as he does not violate DC, MD, NJ, or NY regulations related to cc. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211304) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 2:15 PM Author: umber range deer antler yeah, all states have pretty rational CCW regulations - the problem is it is impossible to get a CCW in those states and they obviously don't recognize permits from elsewhere. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211709) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 1:13 PM Author: Dark Trailer Park Cuck devastating (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211359) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 3:10 PM Author: pungent splenetic school 1800000000000000000 (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28211978) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:23 PM Author: Translucent water buffalo garrison Fuck Bob Owens just got arrested for possession of a weapon (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212510) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:24 PM Author: mind-boggling yellow old irish cottage holy shit (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212513) |
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Date: June 27th, 2015 5:38 PM Author: Impressive foreskin Vat? Shit yankee logic. (https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2920919&forum_id=2#28212598) |