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DE BLASIO to make Computer Science "Mandatory" in NY Public Schools

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/nyregion/de-blasio-to-a...
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  09/15/15
Apple dealers drooling
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  09/15/15
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Beady-eyed affirmative action
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you misspelled EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON IN AMERICA
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  09/15/15
Lol sure thing dummy
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  09/15/15
lol
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  09/15/15
(guy who just got a NYT alert on his phone)
Stubborn opaque windowlicker
  09/15/15
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Thirsty peach sanctuary alpha
  12/27/17
Why does it take 10 years?
plum razzmatazz water buffalo lodge
  09/15/15
Didn't click. Is this article saying that comp sci will be m...
talented swollen range
  09/15/15
It says it won't be a graduation requirement and might just ...
Lime kitchen hissy fit
  09/15/15
I don't like him any more than you do, but why is this bad?
doobsian hospital
  09/15/15
not bad, just unrealistic
galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station
  09/15/15
Probably because most of them can't read yet?
Glassy Plaza
  09/15/15
180
Glassy Plaza
  09/15/15
PWN
Glassy Plaza
  09/15/15
i literally lol'd
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  09/15/15
titcr
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Sexy associate
  12/27/17
I hope he just means -- "rudimentary computer use"...
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  09/15/15
*Spends 3 month teaching "hello world" code to ape...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
Lol
Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency
  09/15/15
Too ethnocentric, teach them "wutup nigga" instead
Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency
  09/15/15
LOL'd IRL
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  09/15/15
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DAT NIGGER RUMPUS IN THE MILLION-DOLLAR COMPUTER LAB! UNGHH...
electric pisswyrm
  09/15/15
They already ruined comp sci in high schools by changing the...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
It was Pascal, before they changed to C++.
plum razzmatazz water buffalo lodge
  09/15/15
C/C++ is hard but it is a fundamentally beautiful language s...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
the only reason I can think of is that it because it compile...
galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station
  09/15/15
Python is what they use in COMPSCI 101 at MIT.
Cerebral theater stage stain
  09/15/15
Python is good too but its also object oriented. I dont see ...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
At MIT yes
Cerebral theater stage stain
  09/15/15
It should be LISP
Sexy associate
  12/27/17
We had a mandatory "CS" class in my undergrad for ...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
Same here. Although you had the option of the BS class where...
wonderful public bath circlehead
  09/15/15
Just what we need: MOAR script kiddies!
Concupiscible crotch yarmulke
  09/15/15
They can't even do 7th grade math or even read at a 5th grad...
Glassy Plaza
  09/15/15
Nobody wants to believe their kids are too dumb for a shitty...
Cracking chapel
  09/15/15
No -- it's an expression of the liberal delusion that people...
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  09/15/15
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It always works this way. 1) Libs notice a correlation be...
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  09/15/15
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180
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*puts gun in mouth*
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  09/15/15
The same thing they always do: DEMAND that reality be dumbed...
Concupiscible crotch yarmulke
  09/15/15
You won’t have to wait until 2025 for them to begin to ask t...
swashbuckling temple
  09/15/15
Oh shit.
Concupiscible crotch yarmulke
  09/15/15
The irony is that all the tech jobs will be outsourced to In...
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  09/15/15
Most dumb kids will not actually need to know much academic ...
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  09/15/15
...Abort a baby, pick a lock, apply for welfare
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guy who took AP comp sci in high school and still have liter...
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lol'd
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literally the only thing i remember from the class is hel...
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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:27 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/nyregion/de-blasio-to-announce-10-year-deadline-to-offer-computer-science-to-all-students.html

lol, good luck getting illiterate nigs to program.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762612)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:27 PM
Author: drab shrine

Apple dealers drooling

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762613)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: Beady-eyed affirmative action



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:28 PM
Author: Hideous trailer park

you misspelled EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON IN AMERICA

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762615)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:21 PM
Author: Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency

Lol sure thing dummy

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762967)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:28 PM
Author: plum razzmatazz water buffalo lodge

lol

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762616)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:29 PM
Author: Stubborn opaque windowlicker

(guy who just got a NYT alert on his phone)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762621)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: Thirsty peach sanctuary alpha



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35014866)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:29 PM
Author: plum razzmatazz water buffalo lodge

Why does it take 10 years?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762627)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:30 PM
Author: talented swollen range

Didn't click. Is this article saying that comp sci will be mandatory like US history or that comp sic will be offered as an elective in all NYC schools

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762632)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:49 PM
Author: Lime kitchen hissy fit

It says it won't be a graduation requirement and might just be an elective at schools. If nigs end up taking it, it'll just be a totally stripped-down version of comp sci for retards.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762732)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:40 PM
Author: doobsian hospital

I don't like him any more than you do, but why is this bad?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762682)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:46 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station

not bad, just unrealistic

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762724)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:00 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

Probably because most of them can't read yet?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762803)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:00 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762805)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:00 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

PWN

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762806)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:00 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

i literally lol'd

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762807)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:29 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763046)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:45 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station

titcr

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763225)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:20 PM
Author: avocado french elastic band



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763542)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:56 AM
Author: Heady library stock car



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015201)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015258)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 1:10 AM
Author: Sexy associate



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015282)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:49 PM
Author: wonderful public bath circlehead

I hope he just means -- "rudimentary computer use" and not actually "Computer Science".

At least 3/4th of the kids in public school in NYC don't have a high enough IQ to even do the most rudimentary CS.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762735)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:54 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

*Spends 3 month teaching "hello world" code to apes.*

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762761)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:21 PM
Author: Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency

Lol

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762973)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:22 PM
Author: Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency

Too ethnocentric, teach them "wutup nigga" instead

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762987)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:29 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

LOL'd IRL

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763051)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:13 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763495)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: offensive voyeur



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:56 AM
Author: Heady library stock car



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015205)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:50 PM
Author: electric pisswyrm

DAT NIGGER RUMPUS IN THE MILLION-DOLLAR COMPUTER LAB!

UNGHHH.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762742)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:53 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

They already ruined comp sci in high schools by changing the AP language from C++ to Java. Java is a shitty fucking language to learn on. They would be better off with Pascal honestly.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762756)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:58 PM
Author: plum razzmatazz water buffalo lodge

It was Pascal, before they changed to C++.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762787)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:02 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

C/C++ is hard but it is a fundamentally beautiful language syntax wise. It is probably the most beautiful language to code in EVER developed. Java isn't any easier but is syntactically hideous and that alone makes it harder to learn because even when you "know Java" its still a bitch just to read it. Why you would start kids off on it is beyond me.



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762819)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:19 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station

the only reason I can think of is that it because it compiles/runs on the jvm, it might be easier to set up the IDE for everyone

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763536)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:05 PM
Author: Cerebral theater stage stain

Python is what they use in COMPSCI 101 at MIT.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762834)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:24 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

Python is good too but its also object oriented. I dont see the point of tossing object oriented anything at them before they've got the basics down. Do they even build classes in CS 101? I forgot.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763006)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:14 PM
Author: Cerebral theater stage stain

At MIT yes

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763509)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 1:11 AM
Author: Sexy associate

It should be LISP

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015291)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:56 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

We had a mandatory "CS" class in my undergrad for every business and liberal arts major. They taught it in visual basic. No algorithms were taught and it was basically a complete joke. I suspect it will be something like this. Basically they spent the semester having us re-type code from a book. You couldnt score poorly if you tried.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762772)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:27 PM
Author: wonderful public bath circlehead

Same here. Although you had the option of the BS class where you basically learn nothing and waste a semester, and a the solid CS class where you learned a lot (ie the one CS majors actually took).

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763033)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:31 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

Just what we need: MOAR script kiddies!

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763066)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 7:59 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

They can't even do 7th grade math or even read at a 5th grade level. LJL at libs putting the cart before the horse. How utterly dumb are liberals really?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762794)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:06 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

Nobody wants to believe their kids are too dumb for a shitty middle class field like computer programming. Nobody gives an actual shit about the kids. This is all to make the parents of the little apes feel better.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762843)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:30 PM
Author: wonderful public bath circlehead

No -- it's an expression of the liberal delusion that people all have the same potential.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763061)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:32 PM
Author: spruce church building



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763087)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:35 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

It always works this way.

1) Libs notice a correlation between X and prosperity: "College grads make more $$$", "Home ownership correlates with success", "STEM grads make more $$$"

2) Libs infer: "So if we give EVERYONE X, then EVERYONE will be prosperous!"

3) Libs require everyone to get X: go to college, have home-loans available, etc.

4) The previously preftigious X becomes ShitPureShit a la the Tragedy of the Commons

5) A new factor, Y, emerges to peg merit (a graduate degree, a decent credit score, etc.)

REPEAT

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763116)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:17 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



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Date: September 15th, 2015 9:21 PM
Author: avocado french elastic band



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763548)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 10:07 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763866)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 10:07 PM
Author: Glassy Plaza

180

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763869)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 2:52 AM
Author: comical gay wizard heaven

*puts gun in mouth*

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765415)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 3:03 AM
Author: bisexual coiffed property ceo



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765427)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 7:30 AM
Author: spruce church building



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765692)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: Snowy Alcoholic Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency



(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35014864)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:12 PM
Author: provocative base

What are they going to do when blacks and Hispanics start disproportionately failing?

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28762888)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:25 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

The same thing they always do: DEMAND that reality be dumbed-down.

"Are Computer Languages Racist?" (NYT, 2025)

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763016)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:32 PM
Author: swashbuckling temple

You won’t have to wait until 2025 for them to begin to ask that question, brother.

http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/blog/a-feminist-programming-language/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/just-plain-crazy/femtrain-a-feminist-programming-language/

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763085)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:36 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

Oh shit.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763127)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:26 PM
Author: Concupiscible crotch yarmulke

The irony is that all the tech jobs will be outsourced to India by the time any of these kids get skillz.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763025)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 8:32 PM
Author: wonderful public bath circlehead

Most dumb kids will not actually need to know much academic shit. We should be focusing more on teaching them practical life skills. Eg. how to open a bank account, and do simple personal finance, and get insurance, etc.

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763076)



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Date: September 15th, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: gay contagious police squad indian lodge

...Abort a baby, pick a lock, apply for welfare

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28763832)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:58 AM
Author: Heady library stock car

fasten a diaper

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35015213)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 2:59 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)

guy who took AP comp sci in high school and still have literally no idea what programming is checking in, sup

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765420)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 2:59 AM
Author: comical gay wizard heaven

lol'd

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765423)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 3:02 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)

literally the only thing i remember from the class is

hello, world

public static void main string args

retarded truth tables

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765426)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 3:04 AM
Author: dude, you did a murder

they will spend millions of dollars on technology that will be antiquated in 3 years and leave them wondering what went wrong

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28765429)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 3:59 AM
Author: bisexual coiffed property ceo



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Date: September 16th, 2015 7:46 PM
Author: Cracking chapel

....

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#28770287)



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Date: December 16th, 2017 3:31 AM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:05 AM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: thriller judgmental area mexican

board trumpmos high-fiving that they already got their high school diplomas! "suck that DeBlasio, you won't take are 40K plumbing JERBS away shitlib"

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35014862)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:26 AM
Author: hot aquamarine set

lol at this abortion of a thread showing off how nobody here ever reads the fucking articles. it's just requiring that all schools offer it as an available elective

(https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2990520&forum_id=2#35014992)



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:30 AM
Author: Lilac Mood

nevermind reading the article, wasnt that apparent just from the link url

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Date: December 27th, 2017 1:08 AM
Author: house-broken seedy messiness



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Date: December 27th, 2017 12:10 PM
Author: galvanic honey-headed brethren gas station



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Date: December 27th, 2017 1:59 PM
Author: Boyish Kitty Cat



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