Date: May 12th, 2016 12:19 PM Author: vivacious property
Holy shit
About one in seven US households include someone involved in direct sales, and participation skews female — 92 percent of in-home sales parties are thrown by women, the national association reports.
Ela Thier Independent Film School is NOT place for success
This was a waste of my time and money. Dont fall for this fraud. You WONT learn how to get an agent. You WONT learn how to market your screenplay. You WONT find anyone successful in the “class” to network with. All you WILL do is meet a bunch of talentless losers who whine about their failures and blame their failures on “capitalism” or the “patriarchy”
The who leads this “class” is pretty smug for someone who has never had a real movie played in a real American theater. My boyfriends Youtube videos have had more viewers than this chicks socalled “films.”
All you really “learn” in this “class” is how to post begging screeds to crowdfunding websites (gofundme, kickstarter, ect) and mooch off of family and friends for money to make your “movie”
If you know how to read, just buy the Writers Market book for Screenplays. It’s a of a lot cheaper than the bullsh-t “advice” you get from IndieFilmSchool (theindependentfilmschool.com)
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:22 PM Author: vivacious property
Most MLM reps remain at the lowest level of the company. They may bring in a few hundred to a thousand dollars a year, if that. At Thirty-One, 92 percent of the 130,000 consultants make $500 a year on average. At Young Living, so many distributors sign up just for the personal discount on essential oils that nine out of 10 average just $12 a year.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:30 PM Author: frozen wagecucks
I watched a former classmate return to her marketing job a few months after having her first baby. No less than two weeks later, she announced her plans to leave the business to stay home with her daughter ... and sell skincare products from an MLM company called Rodan + Fields.
She called the switch an "exciting new journey," even though she left behind a full-time salary and benefits for 10 percent commission on a few parties and online sales a month. The chance to work from home and set your own hours has that strong an appeal.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:29 PM Author: vivacious property
It really is a good read. And it makes a valid point that it has to do with the work-family struggle women are going through now. Social media has allowed it to explode and made it much less work to access and find customers. I really hope this is a bubble that bursts soon.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:30 PM Author: Blue sound barrier whorehouse
It's ridiculous. I have one or two people on my FB feed who continuously post about Rodan & Fields as well as Scentsy and some other MLM scams. One girl claims that Rodan & Fields is paying for her wedding, which I know to be complete bullshit.
Rodan & Fields is different because the products actually don't suck (though they are overpriced), but it's not something I would ever get involved in.
What's more illuminating about the MLM craze is that it shows what some people value in a career, namely flexibility and the ability to set your own hours. People are OK with trading a high salary for the ability to work from home in a more flexible setup, especially if they have families or other demands. They'd rather be a R&F consultant than be a capitalist workpig putting on an uncomfortable suit every day and braving the 456 train.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:40 PM Author: Khaki dashing library
>> What's more illuminating about the MLM craze is that it shows what some people value in a career, namely flexibility and the ability to set your own hours. People are OK with trading a high salary for the ability to work from home in a more flexible setup, especially if they have families or other demands. They'd rather be a R&F consultant than be a capitalist workpig putting on an uncomfortable suit every day and braving the 456 train. <<
That's an interesting take. Intuitively, I look at it the opposite way. Prices have gone up so much because of dual-income families, and social media and shit has really placed a spotlight on keeping up with the Joneses, that even women who really can't or don't want to work a 9-5 are still trying to make extra money.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:45 PM Author: Blue sound barrier whorehouse
That's the other side of the coin. It's hard for someone with a traditionally middle class (or even UMC) income to raise a family on that sole income these days, so sometimes the nonbreadwinner spouse has to result to MLM to bring in some extra cash in a way that still allows her to still be a primary caregiver.
It's a combo of flexibility becoming more valuable and the need to have two incomes, even if the secondary income is quite meager and only pays for splurge expenses.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:51 PM Author: Infuriating shitlib prole
I'd disagree with your take. I think most of these women aren't doing it to make $$ but to maintain the social respectability of being a modern grrl with a jerb
i literally know a biglaw partner who does one of these MLMs on the side, odds are because she wants to quit but wants to keep the air of respectability that comes with being a working woman in UMC circles
big diff between "i'm a sahm" and "i am such and such consultant where i set my own hours and work remotely"
former is "oh you poor non-lean-in child" and the latter is "fuck that sounds awesome"
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:53 PM Author: Khaki dashing library
i wouldn't say there is more or less respectability within UMC circles regarding being a working mom. the moms who work look down on those who don't, and vice versa.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:57 PM Author: Khaki dashing library
i'm sure that plays a part as well, but don't kid yourself if you don't think even UMC are looking for a little extra cash for some savings, that school tuition, that ski condo, the bigger house in the most prestigious area of town, etc.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:15 PM Author: Infuriating shitlib prole
i just have a very hard time believing any UMC college educated person is retarded enough to think MLM will help them reach those goals, i got suckered into a cutco interview when i was 16yo and it was obvious a few minutes into sitting in the fucking waiting room what it was
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:31 PM Author: galvanic home immigrant
huh? there are plenty of UMC people who are dumb as shit. obviously poors are dumber on average, but plenty of wealthy folks out there who just boomed their way up the ladder or were born on third base.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:25 PM Author: Blue sound barrier whorehouse
Yeah, lots of UMC folks would love some extra cash for savings. I also know many former corporate types who stepped off the treadmill for family reasons who are now doing consulting work related to their prior careers. This is respectable.
Being an MLM marketer is not respectable. The one girl in my extended circle of friends who hawks these R&F products constantly on her Facebook feed is roundly mocked by shrews, SAHMs, and working moms for doing so.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:23 PM Author: Blue sound barrier whorehouse
I don't think there's much social respectability for people who are Scentsy or R&F consultants. If anything, it's looked at as lulzy by both career moms and SAHMs.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:42 PM Author: vivacious property
You literally just defines the wage gap. Any differences are largely due to the fact that women naturally want flexibility. The trade-off is in salary.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:34 PM Author: bateful fear-inspiring idea he suggested
"In case you forgot, the US remains the only developed country without mandated paid leave options for parents and where moms routinely face job and pay discrimination."
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:36 PM Author: Citrine Son Of Senegal
a few girls from my HS are into this, one is selling oils that supposedly have healing properties (lol) and the other is selling these "beach body" shakes and meals. what a retarded scam. they seem pretty smart too, at least in HS.
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:53 PM Author: Infuriating shitlib prole
I know a biglaw partner who does this. It's bizarre. I also know a physician who does this. I made a poast a few months back asking about this when I saw the biglaw partner post one of them on FB
Date: May 12th, 2016 12:49 PM Author: Orchid stage
These make me so sad. Often people get into them when they are pinched financially - upcoming wedding, new kid, etc. They alienate all their friends with wraps and shakes and oils and never end up making any money. Then they stop when they realize it is a scam, no richer, but having made many people close to them annoyed.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:16 PM Author: Infuriating shitlib prole
MLM is "become a rep and you can make $$$ by buying shit from the person a level above you and selling it to people below you, who will sell it to people below them, who will ..."
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:21 PM Author: Heady wrinkle
"Most MLM reps remain at the lowest level of the company. They may bring in a few hundred to a thousand dollars a year, if that. At Thirty-One, 92 percent of the 130,000 consultants make $500 a year on average. At Young Living, so many distributors sign up just for the personal discount on essential oils that nine out of 10 average just $12 a year."
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to me, that sounds like a lot of people just passing around discount codes to get extra discounts
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:15 PM Author: Magical Floppy Coffee Pot Meetinghouse
The article is depressing, although I don't really know why. I don't think the women doing this don't really need the money (obviously, or they wouldn't be doing it). It is not like the stuff being sold is a scam.
I think what is depressing is that this is what passes for social interaction and community now -- it all online and/or commodified. In reality I suppose it is not that much different from a bunch of women in the 1950s getting together for afternoon tea, but the addition of selling into the mix makes it kinda fake and depressing. blar blar blar ... global capitalism
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:18 PM Author: Magical Floppy Coffee Pot Meetinghouse
Yeah, I edited -- they don't make money. And by "scam" I mean that most of this stuff is what it says it is (e.g., a scented candle is a scented candle).
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:17 PM Author: Infuriating shitlib prole
tbf tupperware parties were a thing in the 80s and even before that, mary kay or some other makeup thing too iirc
my mom hosted a tupperware party once and has related to me how shitty it was and she swore off ever doing it again because she realized what it was after she did it the first time
mom had no college degree when she did it, just fyi so these modern UMC women are on the level of a high school degree haver in discernment
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:22 PM Author: umber vengeful chad
it's depressing because MLM encourages ppl to exploit/commodify their personal relationships. we expect companies to try to reach us through traditional channels, and it feels gross when they hijack your friends and family members to access you. it's embarrassing that we haven't collectively told these companies to go fuck themselves, but I guess they're doing something right because fuck all of our asses while the MLM CEO's buy yacht$, car$, and luxury beachfront home$.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:41 PM Author: umber vengeful chad
"The Deluxe Package contains over $100 of legal services, but I can give it to you for only $50. Sell it for whatever you want, pocket all the profit! You are YOUR OWN BOSS."
These R&F bitches act as if they are marketing this shit themselves but they all make the SAME FUCKING facebook posts EVERY DAY sharing the same stock photoshopped photos.
It's one thing to have some rat faced company use devious advertising, but these bitches are scamming their friends.
Date: May 12th, 2016 1:32 PM Author: vivacious property
Yeah I posted about this above. They act like the photos are from real friends but they're just marketing photos and fake profiles made by the company.
My wife is very good friends with a girl whose mother is the founder of one of these companies. The mother started it with a friend out of one of their spare bedrooms, and now they are obscenely wealthy. Jelly as fuck.
I've never heard of Rodan and fields or MLM parties to sell shit and I know plenty of sahms. certainly former ex biglaw type shrews are not doing this. I doubt anybody educated would consider this stuff a real "job."