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New Yorker: White men have no claims to humanity

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It's not a question, it's a demand. Learn your own language.
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This stuck out to me as well. Abysmal writing.
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"one thing" or "something" would have be...
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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:11 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone nudist fat ankles den

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/sarah-jeong-and-the-question-of-context

Jeong’s comments can also be seen as expressions—if flawed ones—of the frustration common to people who deal with chronic unfairness. People in these communities might well voice such sentiments in their homes, or among associates who share a common burden, but wisely avoid doing so on social media. Her comments were reckless, inflammatory, potentially hurtful. But all things are not equal. White men in this country have been, largely if not universally, exempt from the default demand that we look askance at their claims to humanity. Filter past the hypertensive indignation and a thing becomes clear: the idea of reverse racism serves as a blunt instrument to facilitate the actual kind.

Jelani Cobb is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of “The Substance of Hope: Barack Obama and the Paradox of Progress.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590264)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: slimy pisswyrm field

I feel the STRENGTH of DIVERSITY coursing through my veins already!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590268)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: arousing bull headed national half-breed

oh look, a MAF black guy

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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: onyx black woman roast beef

Can someone translate those last three sentences into English?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590273)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:15 AM
Author: lavender up-to-no-good point

Cq

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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Aqua flickering home weed whacker

It's not a question, it's a demand. Learn your own language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590284)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:17 AM
Author: arousing bull headed national half-breed

that's an interrogative sentence bro, even if it is an implied demand wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590287)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:36 AM
Author: titillating tan degenerate psychic

lol bro reread that New Yorker excerpt and then tell me if it’s a demand or a question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591543)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: embarrassed to the bone nudist fat ankles den

"But all things are not equal."

Non-white people can do whatever they want and trying to tie them to morality of whites is racist

"White men in this country have been, largely if not universally, exempt from the default demand that we look askance at their claims to humanity."

You should be very skeptical when white people claim they are human

"Filter past the hypertensive indignation and a thing becomes clear: the idea of reverse racism serves as a blunt instrument to facilitate the actual kind."

Minorities being awful towards you facilitates you being awful to minorities. It is bad you are awful to minorities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590283)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:24 AM
Author: bat shit crazy laughsome kitty

I'd rephrase that last sentence as

Minorities being awful towards you is used as an excuse for you being awful to minorities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591856)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:19 AM
Author: mildly autistic marketing idea temple

What an awful writer. It’s like he’s doing a parody of bad New Yorker writing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590293)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:20 AM
Author: arousing bull headed national half-breed

AA in journalism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590298)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: azure hominid queen of the night



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:58 AM
Author: Angry dashing lodge

It really is terrible. I had to reread that sentence a couple times to parse it. JFC if you're going to pen an unhinged screed at least write cogently and directly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591312)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle parlour

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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:25 AM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:19 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:21 AM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 1:28 AM
Author: swashbuckling tanning salon pervert

give that man a MacArthur Genius Grant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36590328)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Appetizing Wine Business Firm Potus



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:02 AM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Saffron nofapping casino mediation



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:55 AM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:09 AM
Author: odious cyan garrison cumskin



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: Vivacious idiot place of business



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: aphrodisiac sanctuary

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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:29 PM
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Date: August 12th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: fishy stimulating meetinghouse



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 8:13 AM
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Date: December 27th, 2018 1:56 AM
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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: snowy mood

"Filter past the hypertensive indignation and a thing becomes clear: the idea of reverse racism serves as a blunt instrument to facilitate the actual kind."

what is "thing" doing there? did he not have a thesaurus handy or had he just constructed the sentence so poorly that he had to use it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591320)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: diverse slap-happy space cuck



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: Angry dashing lodge

This stuck out to me as well. Abysmal writing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591360)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:29 AM
Author: frozen trip pozpig

"one thing" or "something" would have been fine, lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591489)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:24 AM
Author: snowy mood

cr.

Filter past the hypertensive indignation and a thing becomes clear: the idea of reverse racism serves as a blunt instrument to facilitate the actual kind.

Filter [out] the hypertensive indignation and [we see that ... ] "reverse racism" [ ... ] facilitate[s] [actual racism.]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591857)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: slimy pisswyrm field

is 'a thing' even a thing anymore? in 2018? wow, just wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36593903)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:01 AM
Author: hot state

"Serves as a blunt instrument to facilitate the actual kind" truly dont know what this means.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591323)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: White heaven

TBF, the author understands modern liberalism. As a white person, you must have an unshakable frame of guilt and be ready to atone for your sins. By virtue of being white, you are bad in a way that is not salvageable.

The very essence of "racist," to shitlibs, is a white person who does not accept his or her inherent evilness (historical guilt, privilege, etc., there's probably a hundred synonyms at this point). Racism (by this definition) is the idea that it's OK to be white.

You see this idea come up in shitlib thinking pretty regularly. I'm fairly sure that this is going to be the major theme of Kamala Harris's POTUS campaign.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591376)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:33 AM
Author: big-titted tattoo crotch



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:04 AM
Author: buff sadistic bawdyhouse legend

I actually wouldn't mind it if libs took the position, "COME ON, she obviously didn't mean literally all white people, lighten up." But at the same time they're running with "I think the best person should get the job" is AN INTOLERABLE RACIST MICROAGRESSION. https://facultyombuds.ncsu.edu/files/2016/06/Microaggression-Tool.pdf

It's hilarious that libs are running with "white fragility" when its obvious who is made of glass in this equation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591331)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:10 AM
Author: Angry dashing lodge

"White men in this country have been, largely if not universally, exempt from the default demand that we look askance at their claims to humanity."

Upon my fifth reread, this is still nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591367)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:13 AM
Author: hot state

What is the "default demand" let's try to be charitable. The default demand to respect other peoples humanity? So because in the past white men largely didn't do this, POC are justified in doing whatever they want for as long as they see fit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591389)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: charismatic school

i think the "default demand" is to treat people's claim to "humanity" with suspicion, but white men are excluded from this "demand". its a pretty retarded thing to say, and the sentence is even more poorly crafted than the idea, which is saying something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591412)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: White heaven

Default Demand: when a defendant doesn't timely answer a lawsuit, Plaintiff tenders a subsequent an offer to settle.

What else could it mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591417)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Angry dashing lodge



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: hot state

How are they excluded from the demand to treat other's claims of humanity with suspicion? Isn't that exactly what they accuse white men of doing--not accepting the humanity of others?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591433)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: White heaven

How is this not word-salad speak for "I don't like white people?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591467)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:37 AM
Author: charismatic school

in the viewpoint of people like this author, "white men" set the "default", so they exclude themselves from that 'suspicion'. but its really not worth parsing the words, muscadine wine above has the right idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591552)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: odious cyan garrison cumskin

ljl @ this amateur attempt at postmodern academic gibberish in the New Yorker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591384)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: White heaven



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: galvanic iridescent roommate

JFC at all the racist responses ITT. Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore, this board is full of racist losers who have no friends, and don't go to tons of parties, people getting blasted every night. Of course once classes start, we will calm down just a little bit. Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591515)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:35 AM
Author: big-titted tattoo crotch



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Harsh rebellious newt site



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: big-titted tattoo crotch



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: odious cyan garrison cumskin



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Chest-beating multi-billionaire



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: Vivacious idiot place of business



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: Ebony nursing home

lmao

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Date: August 12th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: spectacular toaster pit



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Date: August 10th, 2018 10:39 AM
Author: Vivacious idiot place of business

Incomprehensible gibberish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591564)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Massive vibrant hissy fit



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: primrose jet-lagged senate feces

A facilitation of the actual kind is performed

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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: Contagious range circlehead



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: excitant judgmental party of the first part



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Saffron nofapping casino mediation



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Date: August 10th, 2018 11:22 AM
Author: fragrant spot internal respiration

wow this negro LARPing as an "intellectual" totally convinced me of his cause with this incoherent 5th grade-level essay peppered with incorrectly used words that he copy pasted from an online thesaurus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4047982&forum_id=2#36591846)



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Date: August 10th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: Lake Razzmatazz Property Macaca



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Date: August 10th, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Bipolar corner

Keep doubling down, libs.

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Date: August 12th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: tantric boyish church clown



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