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Blizzard employees revolt over not receiving >10% pay raises (ink)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-03/blizzard-...
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  08/11/20
One employee wrote that they had to skip meals to pay rent a...
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  08/11/20
another scammed reddit for free pizza
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Sounds like they have lavish lifestyles
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*TMF adding cost of shitty free coffee to their total HHI* *...
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lol you beat me to the "all in" joke
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I been following this story (i'm a big MMO-mo though I don't...
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One guy posted that he has 25 years of WoW subscription. T...
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great link; not one salary aside from the ceo's listed in th...
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119RI3oS9XNOjq2X8VLpU...
sepia alpha native
  08/11/20
is this a joke? I make more than a Senior Project Manager at...
bat shit crazy hospital
  08/11/20
This is in Austin too. I didn't realize pay was relatively l...
elite vivacious property trump supporter
  08/11/20
I thought Blizzard was in Irvine
bat shit crazy hospital
  08/11/20
nevermind, i see now that there's diff office locations on t...
bat shit crazy hospital
  08/11/20
Why can't I fucking sort this piece of shit table? Whoever m...
White heaven boistinker
  08/11/20
They should be boosting the salaries a bit because the talen...
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  08/11/20
Serves them right for ruining WoW.
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Lol.
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why do they think they're entitled to more pay? Japanese gam...
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excitant plum puppy potus
  08/11/20
Pay raise for what? Do they even make games anymore? Whe...
Hot mood
  08/11/20
Tbf, Diablo 4 is in production
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  08/11/20
Ugh... diablo is their worst. Just click click click click
Hot mood
  08/11/20
WHAT, U DON'T HAVE PHONES?!?1
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  08/11/20
No, diablo 4 is a legit PC game
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  08/11/20
oh dang i was hoping they do more shitty mobile games dia...
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35k to be a GM in Austin. Good or bad if you're just some r...
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You can make more bartending on 6th street.
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yeah but can u be fat and ugly and feel superior to other ne...
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  08/11/20
whats a GM?
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game master, you basically handle customer support in game
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everyone knows gaming has the worst work-life balance and lo...
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Bobby Kotick couldn't tell you how to reload in Warzone, but...
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  08/11/20
imagine if games studios could attract the talent that goes ...
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It's because videogames are art.
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It's because video games are art.
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lol u know jack shit about software engineering
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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: elite vivacious property trump supporter

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-03/blizzard-workers-share-salaries-in-revolt-over-wage-disparities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739531)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:24 PM
Author: Olive aphrodisiac dragon

One employee wrote that they had to skip meals to pay rent and that they used the company’s free coffee as an appetite suppressant. Another said they would only eat oatmeal and bail on team lunches because they couldn’t afford to buy food at the company cafeteria.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739621)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: Autistic sanctuary goyim

another scammed reddit for free pizza

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739630)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:27 PM
Author: Clear judgmental electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739647)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:55 PM
Author: curious anal temple nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740016)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: elite vivacious property trump supporter

Sounds like they have lavish lifestyles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739633)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: Talented hideous lettuce crackhouse

*TMF adding cost of shitty free coffee to their total HHI* *frowns when he realizes they make more than him*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739836)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

lol you beat me to the "all in" joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739890)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:54 PM
Author: adventurous angry corn cake depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740007)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 11:43 PM
Author: up-to-no-good quadroon milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40742214)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:30 PM
Author: fighting field toilet seat

I been following this story (i'm a big MMO-mo though I don't play WoW) and they all posted their salaries and it honestly didn't seem that bad to me. There's definitely some shittiness with Blizzard offering perks like in-game membership time in lieu of actual bonuses though, that part is kind of funny. Reminds me of the old song 16 Tons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739707)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: Appetizing stag film

Lmfao at in game membership time being an employment perk jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740276)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:20 PM
Author: fighting field toilet seat

One guy posted that he has 25 years of WoW subscription. That's kind of hilarious tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740597)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 7:56 PM
Author: Appetizing stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40741063)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:31 PM
Author: salmon territorial school cafeteria idea he suggested

great link; not one salary aside from the ceo's listed in the "entire" article.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739715)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:32 PM
Author: sepia alpha native

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119RI3oS9XNOjq2X8VLpUOMpyarcMsNzid-nA1OqbXkA/htmlview?pru=AAABc9xm048*IoWzMOeJOOiSRFAKtwbe_g

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739738)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:35 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

is this a joke? I make more than a Senior Project Manager at Blizzard and I'm only a lowly engineer at a startup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739789)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:36 PM
Author: elite vivacious property trump supporter

This is in Austin too. I didn't realize pay was relatively low there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739800)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:38 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

I thought Blizzard was in Irvine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739827)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:40 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

nevermind, i see now that there's diff office locations on the sheet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739848)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:03 PM
Author: White heaven boistinker

Why can't I fucking sort this piece of shit table? Whoever made this deserves to be fired for failing at basic excel skills. I was making pivot tables in 8th fucking grade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740095)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:33 PM
Author: laughsome lay community account

They should be boosting the salaries a bit because the talent leaving is a big issue - they should embrace the tech company catered free food thing IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739756)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:37 PM
Author: wild principal's office athletic conference

Serves them right for ruining WoW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739805)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: Flickering casino generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739875)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:01 PM
Author: excitant plum puppy potus

Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740483)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: Misunderstood sable chad office

why do they think they're entitled to more pay? Japanese game developers don't get paid a whole lot of money and they make better games on average than Blizzard. this just seems like a lot of entitled BS to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739838)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:45 PM
Author: Autistic sanctuary goyim

(bobby kotick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40739899)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:53 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

(Kagemasa Kozuki)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740003)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:01 PM
Author: excitant plum puppy potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740488)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:56 PM
Author: Hot mood

Pay raise for what? Do they even make games anymore?

Where’s Starcraft Ghost? Warcraft 4? Starcraft 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740023)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:56 PM
Author: elite vivacious property trump supporter

Tbf, Diablo 4 is in production

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740028)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 4:57 PM
Author: Hot mood

Ugh... diablo is their worst. Just click click click click

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740033)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:00 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

WHAT, U DON'T HAVE PHONES?!?1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740064)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: elite vivacious property trump supporter

No, diablo 4 is a legit PC game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740118)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:08 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

oh dang i was hoping they do more shitty mobile games

diablo franchise died with diablo 3.

they should make a warcraft 4 RTS game. or fix hearthstone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740134)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:04 PM
Author: crystalline shrine voyeur

35k to be a GM in Austin. Good or bad if you're just some random high school grad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740104)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:06 PM
Author: White heaven boistinker

You can make more bartending on 6th street.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740125)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:09 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

yeah but can u be fat and ugly and feel superior to other nerds in a virtual world on 6th street?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740142)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:01 PM
Author: excitant plum puppy potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740489)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:23 PM
Author: Turquoise Kitchen Kitty Cat

whats a GM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740260)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:12 AM
Author: Dun Abnormal Address Cuckoldry

game master, you basically handle customer support in game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40742354)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:11 PM
Author: Aromatic theatre

everyone knows gaming has the worst work-life balance and lowest pay per hour in the software industry. the execs take advantage of loser nerds who aren't willing to stand up for themselves by forcing long hours, ridiculously tight deadlines, and low pay on them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740162)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:13 PM
Author: Rose antidepressant drug location

Bobby Kotick couldn't tell you how to reload in Warzone, but he can tell you how to fire hundreds of employees after a year that saw record profits. That's why he makes $40M and the monkeys churning out the microtransactions live off break room coffee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740169)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:21 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

imagine if games studios could attract the talent that goes to Amazon, Google, Apple, etc. I don't know why they haven't tried to do this and dominate the gaming industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740238)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: Turquoise Kitchen Kitty Cat

It's because videogames are art.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740274)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: Carmine Ungodly Lodge Death Wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740278)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:36 AM
Author: laughsome lay community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40742424)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:40 PM
Author: Rose antidepressant drug location

Because you can already "dominate the gaming industry" paying poverty-level wages to nerds who will grind themselves to death for the privilege of making your product?

Most games being made today are lowest-common-denominator slop stuffed to the gills with microtransactions. You don't need Google engineers making $300k to churn out a Warzone battle pass every 60 days or update the roster in the next FIFA game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740368)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:43 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

that was my point though, if you get the talent and pay them well maybe they can make something truly unique and forward-thinking and make you obscene amounts of ca$h

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740387)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:48 PM
Author: Rose antidepressant drug location

Okay, you risk billions on "something truly unique and forward thinking." Meanwhile, Activision will print billions selling digital hats and gun skins to the mass market of retards willing to buy them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740411)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: bat shit crazy hospital

Apple didn't get where they are by aping the competition, at least not directly. it's a risk, yeah, just surprised no one has pounced on it yet. it's not like there's a shortage of money in the games industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740436)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:34 PM
Author: Floppy Naked Gaming Laptop

Gaming is hits driven and it’s hard if not impossible to algorithmically determine what’s is a hit (look at Netflix). cos like google succeed from being really good at math and tech, they are autists who don’t have what it takes to make engaging content

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40744384)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:26 PM
Author: avocado exciting elastic band chapel

Nerds: video games::alpha law students:DA offices::young shrews:PR

Jobs that are desirable type work to certain people so they can get away with paying absolute shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740630)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:41 PM
Author: French hilarious laser beams degenerate

how has this model of giving millions to CEOs and scraps to employees been sustainable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740376)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:44 PM
Author: Rose antidepressant drug location

"For the quarter ended June 30, 2020, Activision Blizzard’s net revenues presented in accordance with GAAP were $1.93 billion, as compared with $1.40 billion for the second quarter of 2019. GAAP net revenues from digital channels were $1.59 billion, as compared with $1.09 billion for the second quarter of 2019. GAAP operating margin was 39%."

https://investor.activision.com/news-releases/news-release-details/activision-blizzard-announces-record-second-quarter-2020

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740395)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 5:46 PM
Author: French hilarious laser beams degenerate

seems like they cash hoard more than Amazon

The CEO of every corporation is essentially a slush fund golem socking away wealth for the future

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740405)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:44 PM
Author: thriller filthpig jew

CEOs are STRATEGIC THINKERS aka merge and divest every few years to take advantage of synergies or focus on core competencies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40744483)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 6:20 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Theater

I don't see what the problem is. The large "discrepancies" I am seeing are between Engineers making ~$150k and Losers averaging like $46,600. The moral of the story is to have a Clique, e.g. to be a Nerd and Engineer things. The Losers on the staff probably grew up playing video games passively like idiots whereas the Nerds were coding games in BASIC at age 7.

Sure, some of the Engineers make $110k and some make $160k but for all I know the latter is experienced in coding WoW expansions and the former is a n00b or Peter from office space.

Also a 10% average raise would just average out to 20% for Nerds and 0% for Losers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40740598)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 7:51 PM
Author: Turquoise Kitchen Kitty Cat

It's because video games are art.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40741035)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:01 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone cruel-hearted senate blood rage

It's widely known in the industry that game companies pay absolute shit. Go work for a real tech company if you want to make any money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40742323)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 10:34 AM
Author: Mildly Autistic Theater

The Engineering involved in a video game seems more "real" than NFLX or a shitty website like AMZN or facebook. Physics and Game Engines and shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40743690)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:26 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

lol u know jack shit about software engineering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40744320)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:45 PM
Author: thriller filthpig jew

I knew a game designer 15 years ago and he was pretty smart and took a lot of grad-level comp sci and math

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40744498)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 12:52 PM
Author: Iridescent odious turdskin plaza

again u know jack shit about software engineering

i know a smart PHD quant friend working at lowe's. doesn't mean they need to boost lowe's salaries to google/netflix levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40744540)



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Date: August 12th, 2020 11:19 AM
Author: pink supple space foreskin

Thought this was about Dairy Queen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4601694&forum_id=2#40743930)