“Yes, you’ll get the virus,” Dr. James Hamblin wrote in his newsletter. “I think we all have a date with Covid at some point,” Helen Branswell, a health reporter at Stat News, said. “People are starting to give up,” my colleague Tara Parker-Pope told me.
It’s an understandable feeling given Omicron’s intense contagiousness, even among the vaccinated. A surge that began in the Northeast is now spreading to the Midwest, South and beyond
Some of the country’s new Covid acceptance — or fatalism — stems from frustration with the costs of pandemic precautions: the loss of learning from closed schools; the isolation from social distancing; the nationwide rise in blood pressure, drug overdoses, mental health problems and more.
And some of the new attitude stems from the reality that contracting Covid will not be a big deal for most people. Hospitalization rates for children and for vaccinated people under 50 years old remain minuscule.
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Three new studies released yesterday suggested that Omicron causes milder illness on average than earlier versions of the virus. “I would guess that the mortality risk with Omicron is much smaller” than with earlier variants, Dr. George Rutherford of the University of California, San Francisco, told me yesterday.
One reassuring comparison is to a normal seasonal flu. The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
With Omicron, “I think the risk is not super high for relatively healthy and boosted people in their 70s,” Janet Baseman, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington, told me. “I think it’s moderate at most.”
Date: December 23rd, 2021 11:22 AM Author: Purple theatre
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 12:14 PM Author: passionate lilac site
This is just libs salting the battlefield for midterms and 2024 election. COVID is hurting dems politically so we need to quickly change the narrative to it's NBD anymore and move past it.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 12:18 PM Author: turquoise den mood
I scoured the internet for these numbers, knowing intuitively that influenza has always been more deadly than coldvid, and never was able to find anything. Ljl at this casual offhand remark which entirely undermines the rationale for everything ever done about coldvid
Date: December 23rd, 2021 12:37 PM Author: irate idiot
Article is lol propaganda about the Winter of Death and Sadness for Purebloods but fucking LOL at throwing out those numbers. Big fan of how they only put in one unvaxxed risk group - 75yo women.
the thing is libs have LOST CONTROL over the narrative.
There are a non-trivial portion of libs that are scared to death and cannot return to reality. They LIKE the victimhood and oppression of a covid world.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 12:40 PM Author: chartreuse cheese-eating national security agency
People with boring lives like to think they are living through IMPORTANT times. COVID gives them something to hang on to, something that makes their lives seem important and interesting. Try to downplay the virus to one of these people and they go apoplectic, "Millions of people have died of COVID, you asshole..."
Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:00 PM Author: Kink-friendly Incel
The damage done has not been to libs.
I’m a lawyer and work with tons of shitlibs. Upper management is 95% shitlib. Covid has brought WFH, ability to not blow money on stupid GC shit, exploding stock market, etc. I think these people have zero conception of how hard shit is for some Americans these days.
I am not a lib, but I can’t complaint about the flexibility WFH has brought or the hundreds of thousands of dollars I have made in stocks and crypto over the past 20 months.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:38 PM Author: Startled parlor gunner
Not sure it really plays out like that. They are doing the same things as everyone else now: going out to eat, taking airplanes, hosting friendsgiving. The difference is that Covid is a convenient excuse for why they cannot find a mate or get married or have the perfect life their libmasters promised them in exchange for supporting fem rights, wokeness, whatever.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 1:26 PM Author: Maniacal multi-billionaire garrison
Earth to retard: that's exactly what happened. The vaccinated created the antibodies which are now being used to fight off omicron and possibly future variants.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 1:56 PM Author: Magenta Alcoholic Chapel Digit Ratio
Even with the more deadly initial wave, it seems like COVID was much more infectious but about as 3-5x as deadly as the flu. The death totals in the US back that up.
In a rational world, we would have put in safety measures about 3-4x as strong as what we do for a normal flu (a disease we have a safe, somewhat effective vaccine for that most poeple don't bother to ever get).
Instead we put in safety measures 5,000x as strong, and everyone fucking got COVID anyway...
Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:27 PM Author: turquoise den mood
Ljl it was never more deadly. They just started classifying every natural death as coldvid. IFR is 0.15% at most even accepting the bogus death classifications
Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:28 PM Author: Coral Public Bath
What is wrong with these sensible steps to protect the elderly?
In the meantime, it makes sense for many people — not just those over 65 — to think about which risky activities are easy to cut out. It also makes sense to wear N95 or KN95 masks, which are more effective than most. Above all, scientists say, get boosted now if you are eligible.
There are also some steps that individuals cannot take but that society could: Requiring people to be vaccinated to enter restaurants (as New York City has and Washington, D.C., soon will) and fly on airplanes; expanding access to walk-in vaccine clinics, rapid tests and post-infection treatments (as the Biden administration has begun doing); and improving ventilation in public indoor spaces.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 7:32 PM Author: Startling dashing sanctuary ceo
Lockdowns definitely did kill a lot more people. The year 2020 was a giant unethical and unconstitutional human subject experiment in the psychology of confinement en masse, with predictable results. Restlessness, feelings of powerlessness, and the resulting rage killed thousands of people in riots, street violence, and road rage. There was a 23% (!) increase in traffic fatalities per million miles traveled. Chicago, to pick an example, had a 55% (!!!) increase in homicides. I don't think there's any reasonable basis to attribute excess deaths to COVID.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 9:45 PM Author: Coral Public Bath
Why do you keep on clinging to that JHU article? It was obviously BS. The official number of excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 is 600k+. There definitely aren't enough overdoses, car accidents, suicides and homicides to account for 600,000 extra deaths.
Date: December 23rd, 2021 10:34 PM Author: Purple theatre
Let’s say you are correct and there were 600K extra deaths not accounted for by shit like ODs, suicides, homicides, or even health issues like people drinking themselves to death or dying of preventable heart disease or cancer because of not getting checkups.
What was the age distribution of those 600K excess deaths, and how many actual life years were lost?