NYT: Actually COVID is just the Flu, and it’s always been just the Flu
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Date: December 23rd, 2021 11:21 AM Author: boyish dun center
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/briefing/covids-risk-to-older-adults.html
“Yes, you’ll get the virus,” Dr. James Hamblin wrote in his newsletter. “I think we all have a date with Covid at some point,” Helen Branswell, a health reporter at Stat News, said. “People are starting to give up,” my colleague Tara Parker-Pope told me.
It’s an understandable feeling given Omicron’s intense contagiousness, even among the vaccinated. A surge that began in the Northeast is now spreading to the Midwest, South and beyond
Some of the country’s new Covid acceptance — or fatalism — stems from frustration with the costs of pandemic precautions: the loss of learning from closed schools; the isolation from social distancing; the nationwide rise in blood pressure, drug overdoses, mental health problems and more.
And some of the new attitude stems from the reality that contracting Covid will not be a big deal for most people. Hospitalization rates for children and for vaccinated people under 50 years old remain minuscule.
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Three new studies released yesterday suggested that Omicron causes milder illness on average than earlier versions of the virus. “I would guess that the mortality risk with Omicron is much smaller” than with earlier variants, Dr. George Rutherford of the University of California, San Francisco, told me yesterday.
One reassuring comparison is to a normal seasonal flu. The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
With Omicron, “I think the risk is not super high for relatively healthy and boosted people in their 70s,” Janet Baseman, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington, told me. “I think it’s moderate at most.”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43662769) |
Date: December 23rd, 2021 11:22 AM Author: boyish dun center
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
The average death rate among Americans over age 65 who contract the flu has ranged between 1 in 75 and 1 in 160 in recent years, according to the C.D.C. Pre-Omicron versions of Covid, in other words, seem to present risks of a similar order of magnitude to vaccinated people as a typical flu. Some years, a flu infection may be more dangerous.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43662771) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:21 PM Author: multi-colored doctorate
Vaccinated
We didn’t have the vaccines the first go around
Now that we do it’s time to move on
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43664836) |
Date: December 23rd, 2021 12:38 PM Author: fluffy telephone
the thing is libs have LOST CONTROL over the narrative.
There are a non-trivial portion of libs that are scared to death and cannot return to reality. They LIKE the victimhood and oppression of a covid world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43663356) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:00 PM Author: vivacious reading party
The damage done has not been to libs.
I’m a lawyer and work with tons of shitlibs. Upper management is 95% shitlib. Covid has brought WFH, ability to not blow money on stupid GC shit, exploding stock market, etc. I think these people have zero conception of how hard shit is for some Americans these days.
I am not a lib, but I can’t complaint about the flexibility WFH has brought or the hundreds of thousands of dollars I have made in stocks and crypto over the past 20 months.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43664710) |
Date: December 23rd, 2021 1:56 PM Author: Mind-boggling rusted spot hairy legs
Even with the more deadly initial wave, it seems like COVID was much more infectious but about as 3-5x as deadly as the flu. The death totals in the US back that up.
In a rational world, we would have put in safety measures about 3-4x as strong as what we do for a normal flu (a disease we have a safe, somewhat effective vaccine for that most poeple don't bother to ever get).
Instead we put in safety measures 5,000x as strong, and everyone fucking got COVID anyway...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43663895) |
Date: December 23rd, 2021 4:28 PM Author: cracking orchid space
What is wrong with these sensible steps to protect the elderly?
In the meantime, it makes sense for many people — not just those over 65 — to think about which risky activities are easy to cut out. It also makes sense to wear N95 or KN95 masks, which are more effective than most. Above all, scientists say, get boosted now if you are eligible.
There are also some steps that individuals cannot take but that society could: Requiring people to be vaccinated to enter restaurants (as New York City has and Washington, D.C., soon will) and fly on airplanes; expanding access to walk-in vaccine clinics, rapid tests and post-infection treatments (as the Biden administration has begun doing); and improving ventilation in public indoor spaces.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43664875) |
Date: December 23rd, 2021 7:20 PM Author: french range
Big problem with running with this argument is the huge spike in excess mortality in 2020. The only explanations I can figure:
1) CDC inflated the all-cause death counts
2) Covid killed a lot more people than the typical flu
3) Lockdowns killed a lot of people
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4991967&forum_id=2#43665641) |
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