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we're beyond cuban missile crisis mode

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Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen
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Lower IQ than that man. Microplastics aren't a joke.
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hyperactive chocolate gas station
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CR in the past we had qualified rational leaders now we have...
insane mental disorder
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we're so fucked jfc
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You're a retarded felon who couldn't finish HS.
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Appetizing casino
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Bullshit, this is all posturing by Putin. You don't tell the...
Diverse Resort Puppy
  02/27/22
I think this is just to make sure that there is no interfere...
jet autistic stag film background story
  02/27/22
Yeah, it's an entirely predictable shot across the bow and w...
Diverse Resort Puppy
  02/27/22
From my perspective, it seems like this is a good outcome. ...
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What really hurts Russia long-term is that Europe will move ...
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They cant
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because transportation of liquified natural gas is still too...
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Lol there’s more cheap gas in Algeria than all of Russ...
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If NATO weapons flow into Ukraine he will ABSOLUTELY nuke Po...
hateful trailer park
  02/27/22
Why do all our (((pols))) want nuclear war
insane mental disorder
  02/27/22
Russia is conventionally inferior so it will secure security...
hateful trailer park
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"Russia is conventionally inferior" Don't recal...
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White Property
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This war has clearly demonstrated it.
drunken stimulating theater
  02/27/22
wait the US sent its armed forces into Cuba, got its ass han...
Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen
  02/27/22
It secured the buffer zone by agreement or it absolutely wou...
hateful trailer park
  02/27/22
it didn't get to install a puppet regime or break off chunks...
Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen
  02/27/22
Aren’t you Jewish lol
Talented dopamine cruise ship
  02/27/22
Upvoted
Wild galvanic piazza
  02/27/22
LOL, what the fuck do you think this is? https://www.peri...
Diverse Resort Puppy
  02/27/22
Even Latvia sent Stingers, and they border Russia: https://...
Diverse Resort Puppy
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Ukraine is Russia. Thats what Yankee idiots dont understand ...
hateful trailer park
  02/27/22
How has this fact eluded Ukrainians?
Diverse Resort Puppy
  02/27/22
Those who resist this reality will all die.
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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:43 AM Author: .- .-. . .-. . ....
territorial medicated parlour
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Everyone please heed the dire warnings of the idiot who has ...
territorial medicated parlour
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Retard. NATO weapons have been in ukraine since the beginnin...
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Rofl xo still thinks Putin is some kind all-powerful strateg...
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Fraudcam zooming in on bald spot IRL
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zelensky with his defense minister today https://pbs.twim...
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DROP THE BOMB EXTERMINATE THEM ALL! APOCALYPSE NOW!
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Are we taking it for granted that use of tactical nukes will...
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I would assume whomever starts the exchange will limit it to...
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If you think you might use ICBMs then it doesn't make a whol...
Diverse Resort Puppy
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Russians invading some other Russians is really not as big o...
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this is just a china test.
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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:10 AM
Author: hyperactive chocolate gas station

and with 1/12 of the intellectual horsepower that we had in the 50s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044665)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:10 AM
Author: Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044669)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:11 AM
Author: Irradiated parlor reading party

Lower IQ than that man. Microplastics aren't a joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044671)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:13 AM
Author: hyperactive chocolate gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044683)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:11 AM
Author: insane mental disorder

CR in the past we had qualified rational leaders now we have a pants shitting senile moron backed by an idiot who fucked and sucked her way into power and a “brain trust” of purple haired tranny freaks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044674)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:13 AM
Author: hyperactive chocolate gas station

we're so fucked jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044684)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:14 AM
Author: beady-eyed sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044687)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:14 AM
Author: Talking Really Tough Guy Locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044692)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:19 AM
Author: Useless pit friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044721)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:32 AM
Author: plum wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044788)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:35 AM
Author: Mauve beta boiling water market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044808)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:51 AM
Author: Copper fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045473)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: carnelian swashbuckling trump supporter step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045480)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:08 PM
Author: Supple volcanic crater gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046027)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:19 PM
Author: bateful embarrassed to the bone azn ratface

in a perfect we'd have hungover fordham grads who can't write running things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046135)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:34 PM
Author: insane mental disorder

You're a retarded felon who couldn't finish HS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046272)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 2:03 PM
Author: tantric weed whacker box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046539)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 4:22 PM
Author: Talented dopamine cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44047502)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 7:32 PM
Author: Maroon ceo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44048835)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:21 PM
Author: Appetizing casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44050035)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:15 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

Bullshit, this is all posturing by Putin. You don't tell the world you're going on nuclear alert if you plan to use them. Thus giving us time to send more boomer subs on patrol, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044698)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:17 AM
Author: jet autistic stag film background story

I think this is just to make sure that there is no interference in Ukraine.

He's talking with the Ukrainian leader soon so I think there may be an end to this in sight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044703)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:18 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

Yeah, it's an entirely predictable shot across the bow and what he's done his entire time as Russian leader. They even had a "nuclear drill" right before invading Ukraine.

With the war going against him and sanctions biting harder, it would have been surprising if he DIDN'T play this card.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044715)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:24 AM
Author: jet autistic stag film background story

From my perspective, it seems like this is a good outcome.

Putin's increased oil prices significantly, likely for a good while as well, so Russia's economic situation is much better now. Sanctions counteract that, which mean that he wants to see those go away or get reduced.

He's also taken some territory in regions that are predominately Russian, so he can incorporate those places into Russia and has some nominal gains there, plus a nationalistic legacy.

If there are negotiations to allow some of the Ukrainian regions to vote to become part of Russia, redrawing of borders in a more solid faction and a permanent stalemate/cessation of hostilities from both sides, there is no longer a NATO issue if there has been a mutually agreeable outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044742)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:25 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

What really hurts Russia long-term is that Europe will move to other sources of energy than Russian gas. That hurts Russia badly both in their pocketbook and in their leverage over Europe.

The rest of this stuff will fade with time, but that will have a lasting effect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044754)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:46 AM
Author: rose personal credit line

They cant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045434)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:49 AM
Author: Useless pit friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045461)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 12:15 PM
Author: Comical lodge police squad

because transportation of liquified natural gas is still too cost prohibitive but that will change

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045637)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 4:00 PM
Author: Ebony electric windowlicker stage

Lol there’s more cheap gas in Algeria than all of Russia. And with Israel and KSA new best buds, Europeans have all the energy they’ll ever need.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44047324)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:26 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

If NATO weapons flow into Ukraine he will ABSOLUTELY nuke Poland to end the flow. He has said as much and not believing him at this point is what is insane. People keep calling me flame but its not flame when the man with the nukes is actually arming them. This is deadly serious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044760)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:28 AM
Author: insane mental disorder

Why do all our (((pols))) want nuclear war

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044767)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:31 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

Russia is conventionally inferior so it will secure security guarantees either by treaty or by making buffers and if its attempt at making buffers by conventional forces is rebuffed it will use nukes to empty the land. Oddly enough the US in Russia's shoes would do the same. That was what happened in Cuba when the US had conventional inferiority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044782)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:35 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

"Russia is conventionally inferior"

Don't recall you admitting that before.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044814)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:42 AM
Author: insane mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044863)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:54 AM
Author: Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044979)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:46 AM
Author: Know-it-all filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045438)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 12:54 PM
Author: White Property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045885)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 2:10 PM
Author: drunken stimulating theater

This war has clearly demonstrated it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046592)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:55 AM
Author: Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen

wait the US sent its armed forces into Cuba, got its ass handed to it, and then nuked Cuba into glass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044988)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:59 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

It secured the buffer zone by agreement or it absolutely would have. That was what 1962 was about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045041)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:52 AM
Author: Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen

it didn't get to install a puppet regime or break off chunks of cuba like russia is trying to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045478)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:07 PM
Author: Talented dopamine cruise ship

Aren’t you Jewish lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046009)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:29 AM
Author: Wild galvanic piazza

Upvoted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044770)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:34 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

LOL, what the fuck do you think this is?

https://www.perild.com/2022/02/25/weapons-arrived-in-ukraine-from-poland/

Eagerly awaiting nuking of Poland.

There's a long-established Cold War playbook. You're allowed to arm the other side in these proxy wars, just don't get openly involved in the fighting yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044803)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:40 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

Even Latvia sent Stingers, and they border Russia: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/latvia-to-deliver-anti-aircraft-missiles-to-ukraine-on-tuesday

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44044849)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:41 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

Ukraine is Russia. Thats what Yankee idiots dont understand and why WW3 is basically here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045394)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:42 AM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

How has this fact eluded Ukrainians?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045406)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:43 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

Those who resist this reality will all die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045415)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:03 PM
Author: territorial medicated parlour

Date: February 27th, 2022 11:43 AM

Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Those who resist this reality will all die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045974)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:02 PM
Author: territorial medicated parlour

Everyone please heed the dire warnings of the idiot who has been wrong about everything the entire time, thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045953)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:27 PM
Author: bat shit crazy doobsian temple pistol

Retard. NATO weapons have been in ukraine since the beginning.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44050084)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:47 AM
Author: Appetizing casino

Rofl xo still thinks Putin is some kind all-powerful strategic genius 🤡🤡🤡

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045442)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:49 AM
Author: hateful trailer park

Strelkov is in charge now. The Russian nationalist generals are to Putins right and have been advocating for this since 2014.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045459)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:51 AM
Author: Shivering tan gaping main people

https://imgur.com/a/xMvdze4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045477)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:53 AM
Author: Appetizing casino

Fraudcam zooming in on bald spot IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045494)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 12:09 PM
Author: Concupiscible disrespectful goal in life liquid oxygen

zelensky with his defense minister today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnkMpIX0AwYQIK?format=jpg&name=small

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045587)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 12:16 PM
Author: Appetizing casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045643)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:59 PM
Author: Shivering tan gaping main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44050792)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:53 AM
Author: Appetizing casino

1968: Abrams replaces Westmoreland. “Now our victory is all but assured!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045487)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:58 AM
Author: Lascivious Fluffy Ticket Booth Mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045515)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:57 AM
Author: Startling Scourge Upon The Earth

DROP THE BOMB

EXTERMINATE THEM ALL!

APOCALYPSE NOW!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44045509)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:14 PM
Author: Shivering tan gaping main people

Are we taking it for granted that use of tactical nukes will escalate to use of strategic nukes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046073)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:15 PM
Author: insane mental disorder

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046081)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:15 PM
Author: rose personal credit line

Libs are doing the gender / identity routine with the arsenal so we already have shit like trans-nukes and so on, there really won't be any difference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046092)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: Mauve beta boiling water market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046115)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:39 PM
Author: jet autistic stag film background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046308)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 1:33 PM
Author: mahogany dashing chapel

I would assume whomever starts the exchange will limit it to one nuclear weapon aimed at a military target, and there will be a response in kind.

It's hard for me to believe the aggressor begins by launching thousands of nukes in a full MAD scenario.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44046260)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 3:17 PM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy

If you think you might use ICBMs then it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to tell a press conference that you're going on nuclear alert, thus giving the other side to sortie more missile submarines, etc.

This is all tough talk, just like Russia has been doing for years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44047032)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:29 PM
Author: Multi-colored stead

Russians invading some other Russians is really not as big of a deal as installing missiles in Cuba to directly threaten the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44050099)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 11:50 PM
Author: Diverse Resort Puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5043239&forum_id=2#44050734)



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Date: February 27th, 2022 10:33 PM
Author: Cerebral Cobalt Church Building Alpha

this is just a china test.

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